Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by cataracs » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:46 pm

reading the rules dosen't mean understanding it....
plus i didn't recieve a fine , my team was BANNED...

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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by Quick » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:15 pm

Would need buhs list of teams with warnings. If you already had 1-2 warnings i can understand the ban. If not, i would say it's personal and the 4 teams which voted for a ban should all be banned from the FC+extra fine. You cant ban someone because of a teamattack. At least we didnt ban someone the 500 times before...
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Post by Robyklebt » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:11 am

cataracs wrote:since ape dosen' understand that MY LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH i close this point...back to the rules :English,French or Japenese i didn't know that was a team attack, i confused these things written in rule 3 with other rules...and I'm not the only one , lots of players more experienced than me cofuse too...
When i look at your team, i see you set english as your language, therefore ->english is your rsf-language.
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by AlmavivaItalia » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:04 am

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cataracs wrote:since ape dosen' understand that MY LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH i close this point...back to the rules :English,French or Japenese i didn't know that was a team attack, i confused these things written in rule 3 with other rules...and I'm not the only one , lots of players more experienced than me cofuse too...
When i look at your team, i see you set english as your language, therefore ->english is your rsf-language.

mmm... seems that you arguing about confusional language... fine...

In ALL (really, not all, but a big amount, like 95%) the multilanguage game, there is a sentence at the end of every translated rule that reminds what language is "official" for the rules... why here there are difference and there isn't not an official language for the rules?

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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by flockmastoR » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:40 am

there are no differences thats all
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:53 am

Anyway, Taka is banned and if he wants his team bakc he should write something here says his message he said :D
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Post by cataracs » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:59 am

Quick wrote:Would need buhs list of teams with warnings. If you already had 1-2 warnings i can understand the ban. If not, i would say it's personal and the 4 teams which voted for a ban should all be banned from the FC+extra fine. You cant ban someone because of a teamattack. At least we didnt ban someone the 500 times before...
No, i never had a warning neither with my old team nor with this team...
Robyklebt wrote:Anyway, Taka is banned and if he wants his team bakc he should write something here says his message he said :D
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Post by cataracs » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:30 pm

I'm posting since 1 week (from friday14th) to get my team back but nothing happend...It's unjust :( , I could register and play with a bug but i did nothing and stil fair...

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Post by Lizard » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:45 pm

Kinda seen that coming. No warning so far surprising since I've seen many insults in few races. So all in all a warning before the ban would've been okay anyways.
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by Quick » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:52 pm

Still think Aux probably has a personal Problem with you, BUT viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2910
In the first post the Link to 3 cases. Thats nearly as good as warnings.+ Same behaviour there, like here. You didnt know it was a teamattack, didnt let riders fall blablabla. You just give a fuck about the rules and you are not eager to learn from your mistakes. So my new opinion: Ban is hard but ok.
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Post by glasgowracing » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:25 pm

auxilium torino wrote:meine english ist schlecht, deswegen versuche ich zum erklaeren auf deutsch, Glasgow

Teamattack, ok, man stop tempo, lass eine-zwei-drei fahrer fallen, wieviel sind notig um die situation in ordnung zu bringen.

ist die reaktion schneller, man, bring kaum vorteile, ist alles in ordnung, bring vorteile, man bekommt eine strafe.

ist der spieler eine newbye, man erklaert mit viel geduld um 180es mal das nicht in ordnung ist, warum und darum, dann immer nach vorteile nach wird gehandelt, naturlich wird die strafe etwas niedriges sein, falls eine gibt, entgegen die umstanden.

teamattack, man stop nicht, wird gewahrnt von mehrere spieler das ein team attack ist, antwort ist: mir egal, ich ziehe durch, weil ich will X und Y gewinnen, ist man schon genung erfahren, rund um die 500 rennen, beleidigt die andere spieler, weil zu him gesagt wird das muss die team attack stoppen, ist einsichtig, weil auch nach der topic hier, statt sich zu entschuldigen zum seine falsche benehmung, ist trotzdem der meinung das sein recht war so zu handeln...das war die motivation zum die zeitliches sperre.

frage, falls ich was klaue, in ein laden, komm die polizei, versucht mich zu verhaften, ich schalge ein polizist an boden, beleidige die andere, und beleidige die richter, see nicht ein das klauen ist nicht in ordnung, ist die straffmass die gleiche als ich entschuldige mich, und nehme ich die gestohlen nicht mit?

klar, das die beispiel etwas hart ist, aber ist nur hier zum helfen zu verstehen...

ok, mein deutsch ist nicht viel besser, aber ich glaube kann man verstehen
Meine Frage war:

Weshalb wird Takas teamattacke mit einer Verbannung bestraft, eine andere, nämlich die eines erfahrenen Spielers wie PPT überhaupt nicht. Dies finde ich auf den ersten Blick total daneben.

Zufällig sehe ich gerade Quicks Post betreffend Takas früherer Vergehen. Weshalb ich derselben Meinung bin, dass eine Verbannung hart, aber ok ist. Allerdings wenn eine Teamattacke nicht bestraft wird frage ich mich ob einer wiederholte, nicht bestrafenswürdige Aktion zu einem Ausschluss führen darf. Hier stimmt für mich dann das Verhältnis einfach nicht mehr.

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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by auxilium torino » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:36 pm

hat hier jemand ein topic uber die team attacke von PTT? ich habe keine gelesen....
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Post by glasgowracing » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:04 pm

wenn ich mich nicht irre, steht das irgendwo in diesem thread

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Post by Quick » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:09 pm

glasgowracing wrote:wenn ich mich nicht irre, steht das irgendwo in diesem thread
Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter. ;)
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by auxilium torino » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:34 pm

Sorry, aber das "steht irgendwo irgendwas" ist , wie schon quick sagt, keine schuld beweis, und kann nicht gehandelt werden.
In dieses art kann jede spieler jede andere beschuldigen!
Wurde schon oft gesagt, das man muss fur jedes unfaire action eine topic aufgemacht werden, mit team name, rennen, uhrzeit, chat (falls notig ist) und die unfaire action von rennlog...

Hier wurde es einfach uber eine angebliches team attacke von PTT, so was reich nicht.

Ubrig, die falle sind auch nicht vergleichbar, PTT hat , wie ich verstehen konnte, die fahrer fallen lassen, und dann wieder nach vorne gefahren (das bleibt trotzdem unfair), Taka, ist weiter gefahren, als hatte niemand was gesagt.
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Post by ProTour-Team » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:08 pm

auxilium torino wrote:hat hier jemand ein topic uber die team attacke von PTT? ich habe keine gelesen....
leso hat es im rennen als ok angesehen und das wa in dem fall wohl der richter..

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Post by flockmastoR » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:54 pm

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auxilium torino wrote:hat hier jemand ein topic uber die team attacke von PTT? ich habe keine gelesen....
leso hat es im rennen als ok angesehen und das wa in dem fall wohl der richter..
ist doch der bessere weg im rennen eine lösung zu finden. wenn dann jeder damit einverstanden ist wie gehandelt wurde braucht sich das FPK nicht damit auseinandersetzen
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:35 pm

How about back to english?
After all Taka doesn't speak German as far as we know (game language english hihi)
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Post by glasgowracing » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:57 pm

flockmastoR wrote:
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auxilium torino wrote:hat hier jemand ein topic uber die team attacke von PTT? ich habe keine gelesen....
leso hat es im rennen als ok angesehen und das wa in dem fall wohl der richter..
ist doch der bessere weg im rennen eine lösung zu finden. wenn dann jeder damit einverstanden ist wie gehandelt wurde braucht sich das FPK nicht damit auseinandersetzen
Und genau hier scheint mir eine ungleiche Behandlung vorzuliegen. Das eine FPK Mitglied erachtet eine Teamattacke für ok, ein anderes Mitglied macht wegen demselben Vergehen nen Thread auf.

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Post by glasgowracing » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:02 pm

Robyklebt wrote:How about back to english?
After all Taka doesn't speak German as far as we know (game language english hihi)
The Taka case has been closed. Banned. I think we all - except Taka - agree that the ban is ok.

The only thing which remains a point for discussion is the extreme difference in rulings from teamattacks which seem to be ok to team attacks which lead to a ban.

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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:11 pm

I don't agree that the ban is ok.

But doesn't matter, if we talk in "his" thread, lets talk about his case, not some ProTour thing, or if we really have to, at least in English, since Nilkheim speaks english well enough to undertand it too.
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Post by NoPikouze » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:23 pm

I dont agree with a ban neither. That's really idiotic. And as far as I know, he got banned because AUXILIUM doesn't like him.
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Post by cataracs » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:49 pm

Should I say something now ? what's this punnishment a ban ?/ temporary ban ? it lasts ?/ i'll get back my team soon ? . If buhman is inactive leso can answer or post something....

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Post by lesossies » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:19 pm

NoPikouze wrote:I dont agree with a ban neither. That's really idiotic. And as far as I know, he got banned because AUXILIUM doesn't like him.
He got banned because 4 teams of the fairplay comitte voted for a ban.
I was personly against a ban but I would overvoted.
So simple but we must live with.

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Post by Radunion » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:35 am

A problem with the ban is that the team does not know how long it is banned. I fear the members of the fairplay committee do not know it either. So what should the concerned team do? Create a new team and risk being a multi when the ban is lifted? Hope that the ban will be lifted soon or leave the game forever?

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