Catalunya h 22

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:42 pm

Adesso fai ridere: Libby sembra averti inseguito il 27? Tappe piatta per sprinter e ha uno sprinter con 95?? Mi sembra normalissimo che insegua, sarebbe stupido non inseguire le fughe con uno sprinter di 95. Quelli ai quali hai preso il posto non ti insequivano? Rileggi il mio post: Spesso verso la fine, quando si vede chi restera a 1000 d'energie per il prossimo giorno molti inseguono. Non al inizio. Paura di rimanere a meno di mille d'energia il giorno dope. Questa la prova scientifica?
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il giorno dopo non c'era nessuna tappa! era l'ultima tappa del tour, per cui gli 8 dietro di me avevano , adesso davvero, tutti i motivi per inseguire!!...allora la prova esiste :D

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Pirkio » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:46 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Team Franconia wrote:Libby okay...the last few days she rode for her sprinter, got victorys..absolutely nothing to complain...today for her pos. in GK...pos. 4 not the thing i'd ride for, but i can understand it...doesn't matter if i like it...

but the rest of your group is really disgusting...bernstein, berlin, suessem...total bullshit today
Can we get back to the start?

Franconia here agrees with Pirkio. Total Bullshit. Bernstein, berlin, suessem.

So let's not try to turn the thing around here, Pirkio is just a whiner, wa wa wa.

Libby rode for place 4, according to Conia, he seems to have seen the race,Conia isn't afraid to say what he thinks even if it's an old friend/guy he respects.
For him Libbys tempo was not brillant, he wouldn't like it, but can understand it. So I trust his judgement. The other 3 he mentions.

Of those three one actually wrote something:
Berlin Marks wrote:iam sorry. i dont know why iam rode. :oops:
So after reflecting on it, he seems to agree that his tempo wasn't good. He apologizes.

The other 2? Nobody knows. But nobody has come up here to defend their tempo, or to say it was good.

Libby then shows up and writes:
jeden tag fährt pirati gegen mich und dann jammert er wenn ich meinen gk platz halten möchte.
Every day pirati rides against me, then he whines when I want to keep my GC place?

So she confirms that she was riding to keep place 4 in the GC. Agree with Franconia, understandeble, but doesn't mean I like it. On the contrary, I think it's a pity to ride for fourth place.

Her way of writing the sentence leads me to suspect it was kind of a payback too. Pirati attacked her (on the road) every day, he mentioned it too, her leader was in the back, he and later Moto I think he said, rode. Nobody else did. So, payback, which IMO is ok too, you tried to take advantage of the situation when I was in trouble (which is ok), no I a) defend my 4th position, b) pay back your anti-Libby riding. a) mentioned what I think of it, but it's not unfair, b) see no problem with it.

As for the Aux vs Libby sideline fight? Stop it. Reading my post and riding a few races with Aux, much less w Just let the other ride? And if you don't understand something maybe ask? In the race, if not, after the race in the forum? Didn't get the reason for your tempo.. can you explain why? You're fighting with yourself here, you're the same.

Back to pirati: So 1 of 4 seems to be understandeble. 1 of 4 seems to admit to bad riding. 2 of 4 say nothing. The beneficiary says nothing.
Pirati suspects illegal deals now.
Libby demands a fine for Pirati for getting -3

You guys are doing a great job.
Happy to ride when I ride and not with you nuts.

Why doesn't skull say his opinion? How he saw the situation?
Why does Liberty not do an effort and write English?
Why does Pirati not acknoweldge Berlins post?
Why doesn't Pirati answer to Lecce?


Pirati: scientificamente che c'é la truffa?

Adesso fai ridere: Libby sembra averti inseguito il 27? Tappe piatta per sprinter e ha uno sprinter con 95?? Mi sembra normalissimo che insegua, sarebbe stupido non inseguire le fughe con uno sprinter di 95. Quelli ai quali hai preso il posto non ti insequivano? Rileggi il mio post: Spesso verso la fine, quando si vede chi restera a 1000 d'energie per il prossimo giorno molti inseguono. Non al inizio. Paura di rimanere a meno di mille d'energia il giorno dope. Questa la prova scientifica?

Little thing missing in this post!

When tempo start i had 2 minutes of advantage from the group and 1 from the GK.
Now libby vs pirati is a rivality but the post originaly born becouse i've lost 1,30 minutes for tempo maked from all eccept the gk leader skullz

edit: "i think this is the bullshit franconia says"
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:55 pm

Roby, a lecce ho risposto chiaramente, dicendogli in gara che l'ho chiamato mezz'ora per avere un aiuto nel comunicare con gli altri e per cercare di far rispettare il fairplay. Lui dice ADESSO che, non gli piace parlare( me l'ha detto il giorno dopo nella chat di gara) ed era impegnato col lavoro, col divano, con la lavatrice etc..etc...Io cosa devo dirgli? quello che ho già scritto: Lecce non è un amico, ma non penso che lui sia scorretto contro di me.

Su berlin non ho niente da dire. Ho letto il suo messaggio e piu che delle scuse mi sembrava mi prendesse per il culo. Come aveva già fatto con i suoi amici durante la gara. E secondo te io parlo con uno che mi prende per cretino?

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Rockstar Inc » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:10 pm

my point of view...

pirati/moto rode every flatstage against the sprinters...every single steep km was used to "sieb"...not really nice, but not forbidden...libby made tempo in the back, won stages...everything ok till now...

then the well discussed stage...pirati/moto were able to isolate skullz, not complete...he had one classic guy and two mountainriders in the group...the early escapers of the stage had enough gap, the peloton was able to reach them before the finish.....so no fight for the victory for riders of the peloton...some teams with 3,4 riders in the peloton, some teams with one or two...

then moto and pirati attacked from the peloton to get a shot on skullz leader-jersey...the gap for moto was growing really fast...he was "virtually" in yellow...skullz used his classic guy to chase...

suddenly teams like libby, berlin, suessem(who was in the escape-group too) and bernstein raised tempo in the peloton and chased the moto and pirati escapers(they weren't in the same group, 2 X 2)

libby said she was riding for her 4th GK position and of course a little bit revenge was with it, for the first 2,3 stages
berlin rode perhaps for his classic-sprinter to finish at 7th or 8th position??
bernstein rode because he doesn't know it better i think...
suessem rode imo for his flat-sprinter, who was able to stay in the peloton

pirati/moto - you are focussing your anger on libby? but why the hell only on her? she was imo the only team who had understandable reasons for it...
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Pirkio » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:21 pm

i never write nothing against libby and a lot of time i say i like her team. I'm a bit hungry becouse after the first stage where i killed 3 libby racers she start to say motorizzati tempo during all the race. But after that i played always my race i attacked when pirati was making tempo i have ran only for my self and when i see 4 team (ok 3) who make hard tempo for no reason after my quite perfect tour, that i always try to win with pande (my mountain racer had 87 form, pande had 98) i become hungry with all, with who maked tempo for any reason and with who maked tempo for no reason. I'm hungry becouse without that tempo i will finish maybe not 1 but 10 position better and 10 position in a cat 4 tour are a lot of money and a lot of point, point i've lost with no sense.
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Quick » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:25 pm

Revenge-tempo because of things happened in races is ok IMO. Revenge-tempo because of personal arguments sucks. No problem here... just looks like bad losers and noobteams. :twisted:
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Rockstar Inc » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:27 pm

i understand your anger, i understand piratis anger...

what i don't understand is the fact, that you two are focussing only on ONE TEAM, not on the others...

pirati won't be so happy at rsf, when he continues his childish behavior...his rating from yesterday is a joke, but not a funny one...

-3 for libby with the text: this is just the beginning...

bullshit...
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Pirkio » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:30 pm

The next tour we do together I will calm him
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Quick » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:34 pm

I will calm him?

First - her.

Second: does this mean:
a) you will be calm.
b)you will ignore her.
c) you try to kill her? :D

In my eyes the thread is soooo ridiculous...
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Pirkio » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:35 pm

him Pirati, i'm always calm
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:36 pm

Pirkio: Eat more if you're hungry, then you won't get angry. :lol:

Pirati: E dopo Catalunya? C'e un altra corsa, servono corridori a 1000 d'energia.


Quick, YOU are fairly ridiculous in this thread.

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:12 pm

Pirati: E dopo Catalunya? C'e un altra corsa, servono corridori a 1000 d'energia
Se stai scherzando, va bene.

Non puoi prima dirmi: tutti fanno di tutto per difendere anche la 16 posizione, e poi quando ti dimostro il contrario mi racconti che il giorno dopo c'è la gara di un giorno!
Dai, non voglio credere che tu lo abbia detto davvero.

E' cosi difficile dire semplicemente che ho incontrato sulla mia strada un gruppetto di squadre che si divide le corse?? Vi fanno davvero cosi paura Liberty e i suoi amichetti??

E poi, mi fate il processo per la corsa di ieri? Roby, ti rendi conto che ieri io ero da solo contro 5 squadre di velocisti e non ho fatto altro che cercare di finire la gara non allo sprint! IO ERO SOLO, COMPLETAMENTE DA SOLO! E liberty chiede che io venga punito!!!!
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by skull » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:37 pm

a lot of drama for nothing - wrong forum i think - its something for the rsf races part

Motorizzati did a helper-rescuing attack - said this himself
the two guys were allowed to get virtually into the leader-jersey - maybe starts dreaming to much
no harm, i chase him with my sprinter with two strong flat guys and two strong uphill/downhill guys still available - in the end 90 secs missing to the 1st rank overall ...

pirati did a place 8/9 attack 10 km to go ... with 50 secs malus in gc ... with two riders a bit weaker than mine ...
the last 10km the teams with sprinters say "hey, thats my 8th place" - see that in nearly every race - beside, there is a points classification

maybe some km to much from other teams, but that happens, sometimes you benefit sometimes not
that especially libby did some km more than necessary is quite understandable - its not clever to bother somebody with the strange explanation we just want to bother you

and the only real effect this all had - i was able to do 500m sprint :lol:
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:47 pm

@ Franconia moto and pirati escapers(they weren't in the same group, 2 X 2)

Do you understand? I to be honest I did not even end up stuck with moto. I tried to make the attack as clean as possible! And you wonder why I'm angry with Liby? And 'she was to organize the pursuit. Or do you think M. Berlin is able to organize something?

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:53 pm

skull wrote:a lot of drama for nothing - wrong forum i think - its something for the rsf races part

Motorizzati did a helper-rescuing attack - said this himself
the two guys were allowed to get virtually into the leader-jersey - maybe starts dreaming to much
no harm, i chase him with my sprinter with two strong flat guys and two strong uphill/downhill guys still available - in the end 90 secs missing to the 1st rank overall ...

pirati did a place 8/9 attack 10 km to go ... with 50 secs malus in gc ... with two riders a bit weaker than mine ...
the last 10km the teams with sprinters say "hey, thats my 8th place" - see that in nearly every race - beside, there is a points classification

maybe some km to much from other teams, but that happens, sometimes you benefit sometimes not
that especially libby did some km more than necessary is quite understandable - its not clever to bother somebody with the strange explanation we just want to bother you

and the only real effect this all had - i was able to do 500m sprint :lol:
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:20 am

pirati wrote:
Pirati: E dopo Catalunya? C'e un altra corsa, servono corridori a 1000 d'energia
Se stai scherzando, va bene.

Non puoi prima dirmi: tutti fanno di tutto per difendere anche la 16 posizione, e poi quando ti dimostro il contrario mi racconti che il giorno dopo c'è la gara di un giorno!
Dai, non voglio credere che tu lo abbia detto davvero.

E' cosi difficile dire semplicemente che ho incontrato sulla mia strada un gruppetto di squadre che si divide le corse?? Vi fanno davvero cosi paura Liberty e i suoi amichetti??

E poi, mi fate il processo per la corsa di ieri? Roby, ti rendi conto che ieri io ero da solo contro 5 squadre di velocisti e non ho fatto altro che cercare di finire la gara non allo sprint! IO ERO SOLO, COMPLETAMENTE DA SOLO! E liberty chiede che io venga punito!!!!
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Spessa questi aiutanti si svegliano alla fine, quando vedono che comunque il giorno dopo partiranno con 1000 energie, dopo tutto servono sempre 9 corridori a mille (per poi non usare l'energie il giorno dopo, devono restare a mille per poter restare a mille piu facilmente sembra) A piu di 30 chilometri, fare tempo? Mai. Gli ultimi 10-30 chilometri? Ok, si vede chi ha troppa energia, si puo lavorare.
Guarda, prima ho detto anché questo. Non dirmi che ho cambiato l'argomento, non l'ho fatto.
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Sun May 22, 2011 11:57 pm

GIRO 20h

It's been 3 months but nothing has changed. It is time to defend the 20th position blocking my attack on the pink jersey. 3 months ago as the author of this misconduct is Libby. Incorrect,Shameful, here's how you win and some do not ...

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Liberty » Mon May 23, 2011 12:36 am

senseless post.

Ich sitte jemanden und mache drei km tempo und gleich schreit er wieder ich wäre gegen ihn gefahren.
Am ende hat er 40 sekunden rückstand, also war mein tempo nicht der grund warum er verloren hat. ohne mein tempo wären es am ende vielleicht 20 sekunden rückstand gewesen.

wenn es mein team gewesen wäre hätte ich vielleicht kein tempo gemacht, aber so wurde mir geschrieben gk platz verteidigen und wenn der liebe herr pirati mit seinem überteam bim Giro nichts gebacken bekommt und mit 3 fahrern versucht im gk vorne zu landen ist es nicht mein problem.


und aux : was du im zuschauerchat geschrieben hast ist absoluter schwachsinn.
wenn ich jemanden sitten soll und er schreibt mir das ich den gk platz verteidigen soll dann mach ich das auch.
wenn Pirati im flachchen oder in der abfahrt tempo macht und nicht mit beiden lutscht dann sind es vielleicht nur 30 sekunden rückstand. du solltest langsam mal neutral bleiebn und nicht deine italienischen freunde unterstützen und ihm mal erklären was ich heute gemacht habe.

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Pirkio » Mon May 23, 2011 2:09 am

i saw that it's look a shame you have no reason to do it giro is not one of the all stupid sprint tours. There are the shirt every one have to defend his shirt, nobody else have to do it. there are teams who lose 200.000 every race you can't do tempo for no reason.. or we can open giro to all the teams and let them destroy all.. i think poor pirati today lost giro becouse of a wrong race control of one sitter
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by claw » Mon May 23, 2011 2:10 am

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by auxilium torino » Mon May 23, 2011 2:13 am

Liberty wrote: du solltest langsam mal neutral bleiebn und nicht deine italienischen freunde unterstützen und ihm mal erklären was ich heute gemacht habe.
Ich bin neutral.Heute deine fahrweise war absolut nicht gerechtfertig!
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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Mon May 23, 2011 10:17 am

claw wrote::D
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This explains why after the Giro I stop. Continue to confront a fool I could be taken for a fool.

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by Luna » Mon May 23, 2011 12:39 pm

Hmm, maybe you should rather blame the manager who gave Liberty the order to defend his gc position, if ever.

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by pirati » Mon May 23, 2011 12:49 pm

Luna wrote:Hmm, maybe you should rather blame the manager who gave Liberty the order to defend his gc position, if ever.
And then we could also blame the wind, rain, sun, and flies around ... as long as you do not the name of Liberty-scam

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Re: Catalunya h 22

Post by auxilium torino » Mon May 23, 2011 4:01 pm

mir wir fast jedes tag gefragt eine oder die andere neue italiener zu belehren, das man kein tempo macht in solche fälle, und schon für viel weniger...
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