Fairplay Komitee

[Quick]

I'd rather have 5 german/french/italian etc sitting in the comitee than a mixed one. In the end it needs to work together and that's easiest if they speak the same language. Ideally as leso/buhmann I'd just name one FK-Leader(let's say FL) and FL is free to pick out 4 others. then he gets or not gets the approval from leso/radler and we have a new jury.

Mixed nationalities are not a problem.

Last time it was.

[team fl]

Not nationalities you racist. Different individualities were the problem

[luques]

I'd rather have 5 german/french/italian etc sitting in the comitee than a mixed one. In the end it needs to work together and that's easiest if they speak the same language. Ideally as leso/buhmann I'd just name one FK-Leader(let's say FL) and FL is free to pick out 4 others. then he gets or not gets the approval from leso/radler and we have a new jury.

Disagree for two main reasons:

1) The nationality of the comittee guy doesn't bring any kind of problem in decision making. The lack of presence online / lack of interests does. Just take some honest guys who are always online even with different nationalities and i'm pretty sure they can come in a daily conclusion if needed. Moreover the penalty guidelines will solve many discussions as it is almost all fixed.

2) I can only imagine what a big mess would be after the first decision taken by the FPK; German cooperation, French Alliance, Italian Connection and so on

Ideally as leso/buhmann I'd just name one FK-Leader(let's say FL) and FL is free to pick out 4 others. then he gets or not gets the approval from leso/radler and we have a new jury.

As FL proposed the idea of a reform he is probably the guy who has the idea more clear about it. So I agree, If he feels to do it obviously

[team fl]

No i dont. Honestly, I lack skill about no. 2 roby mentioned

[Robyklebt]

Bunch of useless idiots.

Leso already said that HE is the leader. So stop discussing.

[luques]

Bunch of useless idiots.

This guy deserve a fine for insults

Leso already said that HE is the leader. So stop discussing.

Ok ok then FL will be honorary president

By the way i have asked leso once he decided all the members to make them mod of the fairplay section in a group so that they everyone can easily find them, contact or whatever and they can moderate the fair play section.

Then, i think two steps can be made:

1) (Re)Defining fair play rules, if needed. I mean if there are some NEW rules needed about fair play, if there are some modifications that should be made about some existent fair play rules, if there are some integrations needed in the Penalty Guidelines which will be adopted by FPJ, this is the moment.

2) Defining the powers of the "teams with a lot of rights", and of the other users. At the moment the powers of the FPJ (hope i didn't miss anything) are inserting a case, speaking in the race chat and suggesting Leso/Buh a fine/warning/ban for a team. Once we get all the new fair play rules, i think we can discuss rule by rule about what is the best way to handle it and the correct powers to give at the Fair Play Jury members.
Just for example: in case of multi till now we had to wait Leso, if we can do a sort of IP check which gives us an answer, like Check if IP of Team YX and Team XY match. In that case the ban is immediate. It's just an example of a "possible power" that for sure can short decision time and save some time for Leso.

[lesossies]

By the way i have asked leso once he decided all the members to make them mod of the fairplay section in a group so that they everyone can easily find them, contact or whatever and they can moderate the fair play section.

Then, i think two steps can be made:

1) (Re)Defining fair play rules, if needed. I mean if there are some NEW rules needed about fair play, if there are some modifications that should be made about some existent fair play rules, if there are some integrations needed in the Penalty Guidelines which will be adopted by FPJ, this is the moment.

2) Defining the powers of the "teams with a lot of rights", and of the other users. At the moment the powers of the FPJ (hope i didn't miss anything) are inserting a case, speaking in the race chat and suggesting Leso/Buh a fine/warning/ban for a team. Once we get all the new fair play rules, i think we can discuss rule by rule about what is the best way to handle it and the correct powers to give at the Fair Play Jury members.
Just for example: in case of multi till now we had to wait Leso, if we can do a sort of IP check which gives us an answer, like Check if IP of Team YX and Team XY match. In that case the ban is immediate. It's just an example of a "possible power" that for sure can short decision time and save some time for Leso.

FL will be honorary president ... he is for sure !

to 1) yes it is the time for modifications, then we can translate and publish it !
to 2) You will get the tools you need ... I will adapt the tool I need for these purposes, it is not a lot of work, you can get it very quickly if you want.
IP-Check, ban, penalty ... what else ?

I would create new ones if needed. Ask for it.

[luques]

So about the names Leso made this choice:

I will stay at the head of the FC.
I will first need some very good accepted teams who will get a lot of rights.
I would first nominate : team fl, luques ,Rc Ostfriesland, Hunsrück .... if they want and if nobody is against these nominations.

The question are, somebody is against these nominations? Does the nominated accept/refuse?
@Leso: is this your definitive choice (if we will be accepted) or you think to add somebody other?

About first point: check viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4086

About Powers/Tools:

Ok about IP-Check, Ban, Penalty and Warning (maybe also do that when we fully agree about a penalty it is given automatically without waiting Buh). All these things should complete the off-game procedures.

I'm thinking about what can be the best tools to intervene in race, i mean, at the moment we have only the speaking in the race chat power while the race is running, especially in a tour; I mean, suppose that a guy breaks a fair play rule to win the stage, in reality he would be probably get some seconds of penalty in GC, or in the Points Classification if this happens in a sprint, or in the KOM Class.

The question actually is: is it possible technically and does it have sense to allow the FPK to modify the result of a stage in case of a fair play problem? The pro would be that after that we wouldn't have false palmares or false results, but i'm a bit afraid that after everybody comes out and open a case just for the hope to get the result modified (a bit how it works in reality )

I would like to hear any other suggestion about how to act in real time (or almost real time). I say this because happened in the past that a race was ruined by a massive team attack, the penalty is good to punish who broke the rule but don't reward who deserved the victory.

[lesossies]

Enough people for the start , I think.

It is technically possible to modify all the riders or teams during the stage and I did it a few times after all the possible calls and warnings didn´t bring a result, but only by 200% sure cases.

[team fl]

I will add to the discussion later in february.

[Quick]

May I ask why Ostfriesland? He's in Div 5 which means he's either not very active or a noob. Noobs can be fair? Ok, but I wouldn't give them such a meaningful position. Is he inactive? Then why give him a position where he should be active?

[Alkworld]

May I ask why Ostfriesland? He's in Div 5 which means he's either not very active or a noob. Noobs can be fair? Ok, but I wouldn't give them such a meaningful position. Is he inactive? Then why give him a position where he should be active?

I assume he offered his help. And I wouldn't call someone with 658 races in 5,5 years a noob. Unlike this r QUICK guy, who was in Div 6 a while ago

[lesossies]

Ostfriesland is active in the National-Comiteee and I see no problem.
Better 2 good teams who can only be 50% active as one bad team who is 100% active.
I think he could do a good job and it is my most important criteria.

[RS Ostfriesland]

Like i said some days ago quick:
I have not enough time to race much races. Im playing since 2008 and know how to play. Just a matter of time my friend.
So i help in die nc and offered my help for the fc. I like this game and the community.

[Rockstar Inc]

question is...are you active daily or at least every 2nd day at the moment? or do you look ingame once a week?

if you aren't here daily or every 2nd day, maybe leso should look for someone else - you got to be more active as in the NC, cause sometimes it needs fast decisions...

[RS Ostfriesland]

1-2 times from 8-17 and 2-3 times from 17-23. and that every day. Every time ingame and here. Enough for you?

[Rockstar Inc]

hmm...nightshift is missing but i guess i can say yes this one time

[Quick]

Like i said some days ago quick:
I have not enough time to race much races. Im playing since 2008 and know how to play. Just a matter of time my friend.
So i help in die nc and offered my help for the fc. I like this game and the community.

No offense, I was just wondering.

[RS Ostfriesland]

I know and its ok if you ask.

[clipper]

I would like to know, why did you remove the flag of 2 of my riders. They had a nationality the first days, then it has been deleted?
Thanks for answer. In french, it is better for me.

[luques]

I would like to know, why did you remove the flag of 2 of my riders. They had a nationality the first days, then it has been deleted?
Thanks for answer. In french, it is better for me.

The post you are looking for is this -> viewtopic.php?f=34&t=112&start=1600

[IDF]

Clipper , il y a aucun français dans le Nation Commitee.. ils te répondront qu'en Anglais

[team fl]

Back from paternity leave and fully ready to disillusion all hopes for a better working FC

[Rockstar Inc]

what about a "sticky thread" in the fairplay section with an overview of banned teams...

something like:

1.3. racer, racerteam, racerfriends
2.3. biker, bikerteam, bikerfriends, bikerockers
3.3. idiot, idiotteam, idiotbikers

opinions?

[lesossies]

what about a "sticky thread" in the fairplay section with an overview of banned teams...

something like:

1.3. racer, racerteam, racerfriends
2.3. biker, bikerteam, bikerfriends, bikerockers
3.3. idiot, idiotteam, idiotbikers

opinions?

I dont like it
No public lynchage please.
I will go further:
If anybody has some suspicion about a team or something like this, he should first contact any member of the FairPlay-Comitee who can first control the facts.