Illegal sitting: While I've always disliked sitters who don't say who they are, regard it as unfair behaviour, it's not illegal. IMO should be.
The old Luna idea might help, sitter gets into the sitted account via his own account would be the easiest and best solution. And shown in the chat as such. But other topic really.
Rasmussen: At this point I am convinced that he has 2 teams, Rasmussen and MG. I can be wrong. But as Luques says, it seems there's lots and lots of evidence for "multi", little for "2 teams".
Rasmussen says he announced to the FPK that he and MG live together. No reason to doubt that. That looks like "no multi". People who announce it beforehand are more trustworthy than those that announce it after. But not proof, just evidence. One thing that I actually I disagree with is: Don't race in the same race. Why not? I've ridden lots of races with Zauberlehrlinge in the good old times, and while we did the "let's ride together thing" in some of the first races (the glorious team attack, one goes, both had basically the whole team hanging, we then rode like crazy for ZLs tour win and my ... shit, after 20 km we realized my leader hadn't followed, I kept riding anyway ,but caught) (we were all noobs in those times), that stopped very very very soon. And while we weren't in the same room, country or continent, we were discussing on skype. If I'd live with ZL, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been different. First races, doubtful behaviour, then soon.... beating ZL is the goal. More hurting each other than helping each other. Pretty normal I'd guess, so if 2 users live together, work together or for some other reason have the same IP, I really see no reason why they shouldn't ride in the same race. If they do AND the behaviour seems strange, THEN intervene. My guess is in most cases it will be no collaboration. (It might take longer to get to the no collaboration phase nowadays, in my and ZLs youth, long gone I'm afraid, it didn't take long to be competitive against the top teams (Buhmann, lesossies, PEntium, Tria Hufl and.... Rasmussen among others, nowadays clearly takes longer) And if there is some collaboration in the beginning, tell them that they shouldn't, and RSF will survive it anyway.
Back to Rasmussen/MG, then all ok.
The problem started on 25.02.2017. Rasmussen posted a race in the MG thread. A race by MG, not by himself. It had the MG sign on the top left corner. Hunsrück noticed it and wrote what we all still can see. The Donkey saw that post and (thanks to Hunsrücks comment) noticed it too. And was very surprised. Then Rasmussen changed the post. New post with comment: "Wanted to quote something and comment". The changed post then looked like it looks now.
Before it was not a quote, but a direct link to the database (or whatever you call it) And a different race. Problem is nobody seems to remember which one it was. NOT the one he quoted later, Donks is sure about that. (RKL too) I contacted Luques later about what was going on, he said he saw the post too, but didn't remember what race it was either. Could be Elba? Well, doesn't really matter. The point is:
You want to quote a post with a picture. You manage to fuck up the quote, there is none, but instead a direct link to the race, a race isn't the one you claim you wanted to quote AND you don't post a comment? That looks like lots of things that must go wrong. The explanation makes very little sense.
This is strong evidence pointing towards multi.
IMO the whole thing going on now should have been dealt with then. Luques told me that they were communicating with Rasmussen, and since we don't need a public hanging each time, ok, if it can be resolved internally... but clearly didn't happen.
Rasmussen's big mistake now, that makes it even more suspicious now is stuff like this:
Rasmussen wrote:You ban me/us for something you allowed before.
No, that's not correct. They are not banning you for having the same IP. It's for 2 main reasons:
1) The affair in February. You haven't talked about that one here yet, no explanation how you managed to quote without quoting, comment without commenting. And usually you are quite thorough.
2) The comment in the chat now. You addressed that. An explanation that is not fully convincing, but possible. Just that in connection with the earlier case, for which you at this point have no explanation it's not enough.
This is the main evidence pointing towards multi. One on it's own wasn't enough to take action (it seems), the second one on its own surely wouldn't be, but the 2 combined? Enough I say. THAT's what you are banned for right now. (The timing of the ban for sure is not the yellow of the egg as they say in Liechtenstein and Greece)
Ah, to clarify, since some people clearly didn't understand what Rasmussen said:
He says that Rasmussen wsa supposed to sit MG on the 27.05.2017. Not before. And that he got the password yesterday and was doing settings when by mistake he answered a question to him (Rasmussen) from MG's account.
Continue:
Then once you suspect that Rasmussen and MG might be the same, there's lots of other little things that point towards the multi theory:
- Way of riding. It's veeery similar. Attack basically every day. Just look at the Trofeo Fuga in afternoon Giro. And maybe make a Trofeo Fuga for the morning. Both
- Way of naming riders. Real rider names. One goes for Italy, one goes for Switzerland.
- Writing in the chat. There are 3 guys at RSF that write with capitalization and punctuation. That I noticed. 1) Big Donkey, he writes lots, deep stuff too. Then Rasmussen. And MG. Other than those 3? Hopefully there are a few more guys that care about important stuff like that. But I haven't noticed any. Some (too few) start sentences with a capital letter. Basically nobody but MG and Rasmussen use a . at the end.
- Team building seems similar (But ok, that probably can be discounted, team building looks somehow similar for almost all teams)
- Opinion about the Winter Calendar seemed identical (I hope they are 2 guys because of that...)
- Teamtoto: Rasmussen seems to have had a Teamtoto team since forever. Phonak. MG just made one that joined the Teamtoto group. Cover his tracks (since he knew that he was suspected)
- Riding times: Sometimes it's Rasmussen morning, MG afternoon. Sometimes the other way around. So both have time all the time? There always seems to be a way to make both ride, one in the morning, one in the afternoon. Tirreno/PN, Catalunya/Catalunya, PV/PV, Trentino/Trentino, he/they managed to find time for both to ride all. You'd suspect that it wouldn't ALWAYS work but it did. Romandie it seems neither rode (or at least no palmares entry for either)
- Fairplay vote: Good escape. Thank you. Or similar stuff. Capitalized. With . Rasmussen and MG, the 2 teams who use that often. Or similar things, being nice, he's gives very nice fair play votes actually, polite, friendly, not just good escape but some other friendly words after that. But only those 2.
- New: The sitting explanation for yesterday: While both Rasmussen and MG have been sitted in the past, somehow I don't remember either of them being sitted by the other. Why not? They seem to have time interchangeably in the morning and afternoon, but when one can't, we get another sitter. Seems for today it was planned to have Rasmussen sit MG. Or maybe it happened before and wasn't announced? Then why not.
In the end, 2 big things points towards multi, and once you look closer there's lots of other little suspicious things too.
There is little things that point towards not being multi too. MG and Rasmussen never really seemed to continue a discussion another one started?
Can somebody have that much time, ride both morning and afternoon? And do the same thing twice?
As I said in the fairplay vote section, I think Rasmussen is a nice guy (MG much less...
) but IMO he has some explaining to do. How did he manage the non quoting quote and the non commenting comment would be a start.
Long post, so as a bonus I'll tell you how the Japanese Derby will end up tomorrow
1. Rey de Oro
2. Al Ain
3. Not sure.... Donks will buy Satono Arthur/Persian Knight/Admirable, depending on how much money left then Danburite/Meiner Sphene/Daiwa Cagney too. Difficult who'll be third...
Rey de Oro-Al Ain though is safe, too bad it won't pay much. But don't whine I didn't tell you.
