TUTTIFRUTTI case

[chartreusecycle]

Dear FPC,

I would like to open the TUTTIFRUTTI case following the study of some strange fact:
- TUTTIFRUTTI line-up in Peloponese Tour
- TUTTIFRUTTI palmares and activity

Line-up in Peloponese Tour:
603k for a Cat.2 tour
No problem if it was a regular team with 15 riders, with regular activity in RSF.
Important fact is that TUTTIFRUTTI is only a 9-riders team -> which means that for every single race (even ones he is not able to win), he should line-up a 603k team.

Palmares and Activity:
Since 2011, only 214 races with a really strange repartition -> High activity all along 2012 with a normal palmares / No activity at all in 2013 / Back in SEP-2014 with a monster team
TUTTIFRUTTI is only riding races/tour he is able to win (make sense)

Few question then:
-> How is he able to sustain such induced cost ? Is there a rule "when x team is under -xxxK budget you can not ride anymore" ?
-> What is he doing the rest of the time ? Riding with another team ?
-> How do he manage to build a new team each time ? Letting TUTTIFRUTTI in a period of non activity -> when possible RESET the team and build a new monster ?

People are asking him those questions, no answer -> Ariostea: Tutti - you have only 9 riders in your team? how do you survive financially?

TUTTIFRUTTI is a case highlighting that it is easy for a manager to:
- Build a monster team dedicated to sprint/mountain/classic with huge cost
- Use it and destroy tours
- Let it fall when all riders are too old
- Reset
- Build a new team

[ariostea]

my guess is:

the "if your budget is below minus 100k then you can´t inscript for races anymore"-rule is not working at the moment - is that possible?
(was it minus 100k? - not sure about this) - but once there was such a rule.

[Rockstar Inc]

imo it's not a case for the fairplaysection...more the technic part...maybe time to "reintroduce", next to the 100K rule, the "you can only have x "lowered price riders"

Tutti is a good example how fucked up the system is worst case example how to spoil the fun for others...no offense to him personally...good old "don't hate the player, hate the game"

@100K-Rule...was discussed in the "Girl Power Case"...Leso was involved...rule in general not working since a few years already

[ariostea]

rule in general not working since a few years already

that´s not good - we need this rule.

otherwise just farming a super-team and then fuck the team up and reset - is the best way to win races. I don´t think we want this.
it will only lead to farming and multi-teams...

[Rockstar Inc]

the rule isn't changend...it still exisits...but technically it's not working...was gone as the design was changed a few years ago

[ariostea]

yes, that´s what i mean - we need this rule working.

so this should go to the bug-forum...

[Pokemon Club]

yes, that´s what i mean - we need this rule working.

so this should go to the bug-forum...

The discussion has is place in fairplay too, as all others rules too.

[ariostea]

The discussion has is place in fairplay too, as all others rules too.

whatever - don´t care where we discuss that.

but Buhman should get this done.

[Liquigas-CND]

Great rule.
When your finances are -100 K then you should not be able to inscript in any other tour / race.
Totally agree.

[olmania]

Please, yes, get this done.

It's a bad example for new players, kills atmosphere in groups, and they steal money and points from honest teams, building it in the good way.

Tuttifrutti is only a highlight of the situation, but it's plenty of teams profiting what was listed here.

[Kaju]

Have spoken with Radler yesterday in our race about this problem. Hope he will tell Buhmann about the situation

[Liquigas-CND]

Tutti had so sell Valerio in order to be able to play next days Ș))

[lesossies]

imo it's not a case for the fairplaysection...more the technic part...maybe time to "reintroduce", next to the 100K rule, the "you can only have x "lowered price riders"

Tutti is a good example how fucked up the system is worst case example how to spoil the fun for others...no offense to him personally...good old "don't hate the player, hate the game"

@100K-Rule...was discussed in the "Girl Power Case"...Leso was involved...rule in general not working since a few years already

TUTTIFRUTTI didnt break the 100k Rule !
Sorry

[Rockstar Inc]

sure he sold a rider now...but i highly doubt he had no minus on his banc account before inscripting for his current race/races...

so please...kick your beloved sons ass and he can have a look why the 100k rule doesn't work and that it's fucking urgent to fix this problem

[luques]

imo it's not a case for the fairplaysection...more the technic part...maybe time to "reintroduce", next to the 100K rule, the "you can only have x "lowered price riders"

Tutti is a good example how fucked up the system is worst case example how to spoil the fun for others...no offense to him personally...good old "don't hate the player, hate the game"

@100K-Rule...was discussed in the "Girl Power Case"...Leso was involved...rule in general not working since a few years already

TUTTIFRUTTI didnt break the 100k Rule !
Sorry

I asked him and he confirmed me the same thing. When he started the tour he was not under -100k.

He bought his strong mountain power by selling some riders last week.

And he sold the climber to be able to play Andes.

[lesossies]

I can see no bug and no bug using.

TUTTIFRUTTI has a 19M team with 9 riders .

If it is needed, we can search a solution against that.

A maximal financial inscription limit for the diffrerent races in dependance of category race, tour or other.

A transfer tax depending of the amount of rided races/period could limit the profit by buying/selling riders.

We can discuss about it.

[Robyklebt]

There's no problem in having a 19M 9 rider team.

Good thing we discussed it.

[olmania]

A transfer tax depending of the amount of rided races/period could limit the profit by buying/selling riders.

We can discuss about it.

Would be not bad, because I think that's this farming situation (see his transfer history at a time he was not riding) that allowed him to get more cash to invest in such team.

[IDF]

A maximal financial inscription limit for the diffrerent races in dependance of category race, tour or other.

Yep but maybe, up the salary cap for important races ( cat.6 375k --> 425k maybe etc... , same for GT) etc...

[ariostea]

leso:

A maximal financial inscription limit for the diffrerent races in dependance of category race, tour or other.

A transfer tax depending of the amount of rided races/period could limit the profit by buying/selling riders.

ah no... this is not the problem here (at last not for me) - neither it is a problem with Tutti or Tutti´s team (that´s why the thread indeed is wrong in fairness-area)

the problem here might be: RockstarInc:

@100K-Rule...was discussed in the "Girl Power Case"...Leso was involved...rule in general not working since a few years already

is that right? if yes, that´s not good - that leads to farming and multi-teams imo.
cause it makes farming a super (but far too expensive) team very attractive - you ride this team to it´s "end" (everybody old) and reset it (or do whatever you want with it) - then you go on playing with the farm-team you farmed inbetween - and so on...

"the -100.000 = no inscription" rule can help here - we should have this working again. (we can discuss to make it -150.000 or -200.000) - but in general it´s better to have sth. like this working.
does anybody know if this rule active at the moment or not?

[Hunsrueck]

does anybody know if this rule active at the moment or not?

Its not active!

[chartreusecycle]

Could we have a IP check TUTTIFRUTTI vs team belloz ?

TUTTIFRUTTI not riding anymore, new team: team belloz with exactly the same "behaviour".

[lesossies]

4 teams with same IP (TUTTIFRUTTI, team belloz and 2 others ) have been first banned until the problem has been clarified.

[chartreusecycle]

team belloz is riding the TOUR DE FRANCE ?

The Fairplay Committee agrees the fact that we can create several teams ? He is the multi of TUTTIFRUTTI and 2 other teams (4 in total).

Always buying strong teams just before Tour/classics and no problem ?

[Rockstar Inc]

the fpc doesn't agree...cause as far as i know only buh and leso got the rights to ban guys...fpc is only advising...sadly