Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Quick hatte mir die Situation geschildert, ich hab selbst nich zugeschaut. Also, es mag zwar sein, dass es im Kontext okay ist, Quick meinte auch im Endeffekt hat es nichts großartiges am Rennverlauf geändert, ABER eine Regel nur dann anzuwenden, wenn es Einfluss auf das Rennen hat ist nicht wirklich konsequent, oder? Btw, nur weil eine zweite Gruppe ihn wieder auffährt (mal angenommen, er macht selbst gar keine Anstalten dazu, nachdem er sich fallen lässt) scheint mir das dennoch nicht okay zu sein. Ohne die irreguläre Verhängung wären die beiden nicht vorne gewesen, hätten demnentsprechend auch vielleicht gar nicht aufgefahren werden können (von den anderen, die später nachgerückt sind). Allein daraus muss man schließen, dass es ein Verstoß gegen die Regeln ist, also müssen die Fahrer in die ursprüngliche Gruppe, aus der heraus sie attackiert haben immer zuerst zurück, bevor sie regulär wieder in das Rennen eingreifen dürfen.
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Ob eine Verhängung irregulär ist, erfährt man erst nach der Attacke, und es kann theoretisch bis 2-3 km dauern bis man es merkt und darauf reagieren kann.Lizard wrote:Quick hatte mir die Situation geschildert, ich hab selbst nich zugeschaut. Also, es mag zwar sein, dass es im Kontext okay ist, Quick meinte auch im Endeffekt hat es nichts großartiges am Rennverlauf geändert, ABER eine Regel nur dann anzuwenden, wenn es Einfluss auf das Rennen hat ist nicht wirklich konsequent, oder? Btw, nur weil eine zweite Gruppe ihn wieder auffährt (mal angenommen, er macht selbst gar keine Anstalten dazu, nachdem er sich fallen lässt) scheint mir das dennoch nicht okay zu sein. Ohne die irreguläre Verhängung wären die beiden nicht vorne gewesen, hätten demnentsprechend auch vielleicht gar nicht aufgefahren werden können (von den anderen, die später nachgerückt sind). Allein daraus muss man schließen, dass es ein Verstoß gegen die Regeln ist, also müssen die Fahrer in die ursprüngliche Gruppe, aus der heraus sie attackiert haben immer zuerst zurück, bevor sie regulär wieder in das Rennen eingreifen dürfen.
Nach einem 1-2km Hügel fallen die Fahrer womöglich automatisch in der Gruppe von wo sie attackiert haben, wie es jetzt der Fall war.
Nur die Gruppe, in die sie zurückfallen, ist, durch den Sieb, ein bisschen kleiner geworden. Das ist nur der kleine Unterschied.
Für mich keine Teamattacke, nur Regelgrenze.
Und immer klappt es eben nicht. Rennen ist eben dynamisch.
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Fakt war, dass ohne die Teamattacke die Fahrer nicht in Gruppe 1 gewesen wären, sondern gesiebt worden wären...so konnten se noch ein paar KM Helferdienste für den Leader leisten
er hat die Fahrer aus der illegal entstandenen Gruppe fallen gelassen, jedoch net ins Feld zurück...sondern einfach "zwischen" Feld und illegal entstandener Gruppe....
eigentlich wird bei solchen Fällen es so gehandhabt, dass Fahrer in die Ursprungsgruppe zurückkehren MÜSSEN
was da Grenze oder nicht eindeutig ist, muss man mir mal erklären
er hat die Fahrer aus der illegal entstandenen Gruppe fallen gelassen, jedoch net ins Feld zurück...sondern einfach "zwischen" Feld und illegal entstandener Gruppe....
eigentlich wird bei solchen Fällen es so gehandhabt, dass Fahrer in die Ursprungsgruppe zurückkehren MÜSSEN
was da Grenze oder nicht eindeutig ist, muss man mir mal erklären
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
ich hab die 2 fahrer fallen lassen, mit denen ich attackiert hab. am folgekm hab ich sie fallen lassen, jedoch wollte das feld nicht ausfahren. ich wa danach noch vor dem peloton, allerdings nicht so weit, wie wenn ich an diesem km aus dem feld mit den beiden attackiert hätte. außerdem wären sie auch ohne attacke im feld geblieben.
vllt wa es alles net ganz den regeln entsprechend, aber im endeffekt hatte ich dadurch keinen vorteil also kann mans doch jetzt ma gut sein lassen damit...
vllt wa es alles net ganz den regeln entsprechend, aber im endeffekt hatte ich dadurch keinen vorteil also kann mans doch jetzt ma gut sein lassen damit...
Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Team Ban ? the reason : i have some problems with auxilium torino...pfff
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Es wurde immer gesagt das wenn man ein team attac macht, die fahrer das "zu viel" sind sollen wieder sich fallen lassen "in Peloton", das da hinten niemand fahrt ist nicht ein peloton probleme, sonder eine probleme der spieler das die Team attac ausgefuhrt hat, er muss besorgen das seine fahrer wieder zuruck in peloton sich fallen lassen, wie auch immer.
der Team attac muss keine vorteile, fur der team das ausgefuhrt hat, haben
der Team attac muss keine vorteile, fur der team das ausgefuhrt hat, haben
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What does ProTour have to do with Akurojin?
And what does this mean?
And what does this mean?
cataracs wrote:Team Ban ? the reason : i have some problems with auxilium torino...pfff
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
he mean, he is banned because he say to me tuttifrutti and pirati are my multi
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But is he banned?
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if he say this, i think yes, i wait an answer from buh before to write something
would spoked about an temporary ban, but i have no more information
would spoked about an temporary ban, but i have no more information
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Yes, talking with auxilium or another italian is forbiden !
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Because 4 teams of the fairplay comitee voted for it !cataracs wrote:Of course my team is banned...
I personly voted against a ban but it is very good possible thaT it was an error
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THAT is the point. Get them back in the peloton. It's not of relevance how big the peloton is until then. BUT leso, if you say it's not a problem , we can for sure take this to another level. So this is my "Präzedenzfall" for my forbidden team attacks in future, thanks.auxilium torino wrote:Es wurde immer gesagt das wenn man ein team attac macht, die fahrer das "zu viel" sind sollen wieder sich fallen lassen "in Peloton", das da hinten niemand fahrt ist nicht ein peloton probleme, sonder eine probleme der spieler das die Team attac ausgefuhrt hat, er muss besorgen das seine fahrer wieder zuruck in peloton sich fallen lassen, wie auch immer.
der Team attac muss keine vorteile, fur der team das ausgefuhrt hat, haben
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
My 2 cents here:
Taka: Punishment yes. But a ban? Not really for, as far as I know, a 1st time offender.
PTT: Its not up to the pelOton to correct your mistake. You have to make sure they drop back. Even if you have to chase them yourself with pelOton tempo or let them drop back by waiting for the "captain". If such actions by really experienced players are not punished, this will open doors for all kind of excuses by other teams in the future.
Taka: Punishment yes. But a ban? Not really for, as far as I know, a 1st time offender.
PTT: Its not up to the pelOton to correct your mistake. You have to make sure they drop back. Even if you have to chase them yourself with pelOton tempo or let them drop back by waiting for the "captain". If such actions by really experienced players are not punished, this will open doors for all kind of excuses by other teams in the future.
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
taka have already several topic here in firplay, Glasgow, Multi, insult, team attac, and this time was not only the team attac, but after the warning, he don't stop , but still riding, he tale a big advantage, that not allowed athers team to fight for red, for example, and he say also, that is not intresting that others team say is a team attac, he will not stop to ride...you think is ok?, then, if we let be this time, what make should be wait next time?
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Auxilium torino has also several cases hanging on his ass... and oh wait, he's still voting at the fairplay comittee ?! Wtf is wrong here
Works also with the nations comittee by the way... impressive record.
Works also with the nations comittee by the way... impressive record.
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And in what world has a guy to be banned for a teamattack in less than 4 days... When usually nothing happens AT ALL ?? Ok you can see it as an improvement, but hmm...
Can we know who voted ?
i hear Pirkio voted when he seems not even playing anymore... And Auxilium the guy who has all sorts of cases pending on his head and who's always writing and acting according to his personal preferences and interests even in a position of "general interest"... And 2 other nitwits ?
On another topic, since when is the fairplay comittee giving votes and then the "result" is put in action automatically ? I thought buhmann was then deciding on his own what happens, taking in account the result of the discussion.
Impressive job guys, congrats.
Can we know who voted ?
i hear Pirkio voted when he seems not even playing anymore... And Auxilium the guy who has all sorts of cases pending on his head and who's always writing and acting according to his personal preferences and interests even in a position of "general interest"... And 2 other nitwits ?
On another topic, since when is the fairplay comittee giving votes and then the "result" is put in action automatically ? I thought buhmann was then deciding on his own what happens, taking in account the result of the discussion.
Impressive job guys, congrats.
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Which doesn't change a thing about the idiocy of this...
By the way, was AVC Hamburg also banned, or did he just leave ?
Cause there was a way clearer case for over a year and nothing ever happened there...
By the way, was AVC Hamburg also banned, or did he just leave ?
Cause there was a way clearer case for over a year and nothing ever happened there...
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
read the fail AVC, no spam here, and you know more!
and it is not an idiocy here, but you need to much to understand it!
and it is not an idiocy here, but you need to much to understand it!
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
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my stomach hurts...
my stomach hurts...
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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Great new , TAKA is nefarious since too long time and have him away for few days will make the game more pleasant
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Ban=overkill
Ban=unjust
Ban=unjust
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Re: Akurojin-no-hi team attac britain 20 hours field 2
Seems something similar to Italian Politics^^ So Good...
I read Some "Berlusconi" behaviuors, some "Bersani" (defence approaching to other focus), and some "Casini" (always with the stronger position).... This is fantastic...
And there are 3 G.Napolitano in the topic, like FL, Roby & Leso...
But at least in Italy they try to change the Government... here... always same (and Imperium is still no deleted)....
I read Some "Berlusconi" behaviuors, some "Bersani" (defence approaching to other focus), and some "Casini" (always with the stronger position).... This is fantastic...
And there are 3 G.Napolitano in the topic, like FL, Roby & Leso...
But at least in Italy they try to change the Government... here... always same (and Imperium is still no deleted)....
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