Constant abuse of fairplay vote by Allagen

[Robyklebt]

Allagen seems to have a god-complex. He feels any negative fairplay vote he gets needs to be answered immediately with a negative fairplay vote back. He's completely unable to accept other opinions, criticism of his riding. Fairplay (as in fairplay vote)for him seems to be: I got a negative fairplay vote? Can't take that, REVENGE!

Sadly he's not alone on this. There's a few constant abusers of the fairplay vote, those that check what they got to then give the minus vote back immediately, they seem to be completely unable to accept that somebody thinks what they do is unfair, possibly think they are faultless, whatever. They are the reason I stopped giving out positive fairplay votes, those that so happily take all the + they get stuffed up their ass, often without regularly handing out votes themselves, but feel the need to retaliate as soon the vote they get is a minus. Used to think was nice giving everybody a +1 and a little comment, the toxic minority, represented here by Allagen, made me change my mind. Sorry to the estimated 2 guys that miss my fairplay comments, the toxic minority won. I gave up on fairplay votes.

Anyway, here's the recent negative fairplay votes received and given by Allagen.

2026-10-23 RV Allagen Big Donkey -3 Bergwerk mehrfach als Bauer beleidigt.
2026-10-07 RV Allagen Big Donkey -3 -3 for wrong fairplay voting
2026-10-07 Big Donkey RV Allagen -3 Tricksprint, god complex, just leave the game, your presence is a minus.
2026-09-01 RV Allagen Lowrider Underdogs -2 -2 for your wrong fairplay vote
2026-09-01 Lowrider Underdogs RV Allagen -2 schau richtig aufs Profil, dann weisst du wer deine Gegner sind
2026-08-28 RV Allagen RC Cost -1 -2 für falsche Fairnessbewertung. +1 fürs Aufpassen. Ansonsten recht passiv mit dem teuersten Team.
2026-08-28 RC Cost RV Allagen -2 Classic Allagen Egoshooter-Gameplay
2026-08-25 RV Allagen Big Donkey -2 That’s funny. you say I don’t accept other opinions, yet you don’t accept mine.
2026-08-25 Big Donkey RV Allagen -2 Still unable to accept other opinions, let's see if now you do. Not holding my breath.
2026-08-20 RV Allagen Big Donkey -2 -2 is the new +2
2026-08-20 Big Donkey RV Allagen -2 You need to learn to accept fairply votes. Giving you -2 with a sensible reason is NOT unfair.
2026-08-18 RV Allagen RC Cost -3 Last race you gave me a -3 without any reasons. That was unfair. Today = good escape/race
2026-08-18 RV Allagen Big Donkey -2 Tricksprint? Sprint is not always plan a. Changing wheels was my only way to win.
2026-08-18 Big Donkey RV Allagen -2 You don't understand cycling, by that you destroy the game with stuff like double trick sprints.
2026-08-17 RC Cost RV Allagen -3 alles gesehen

Not a single negative vote he gets is accepted, he needs to retaliate every single time. Is that the sense of the fairplay vote? If it is, abolish it, it's worthless.

This is clearly abusing the fairplay vote system by simply giving revenge minus. Do we want these votes to still have some sense? Then the simple: "I got a negative vote, so I give one back" shouldn't be accepted.

Cant' talk about the Cost and Lowrider ones, but there too of course Allagen is absolutely unable to let the -3/-2, the opponents opinion, stand. He himself of course freely gives out minus votes when he feels like it, 768 minus votes handed out, 258 he received. Hand out yes, receive? NOOOO, how dare somebody give the self declared god a minus? Immediate revenge.

I regard tricksprints as unfair, I generally give out -1 per tricksprint nowadays. Unless I miss it or click "no vote" too fast. Are tricksprints forbidden? No. Are they unfair? Since fairplay is not defined by the fairplay rules, those only define what's fineable, it depends on the individual view of every single manager. I regard them as unfair. So I give a negative vote. I don't even expect others to stop doing them, if they like them, do them, it's not forbidden, do them, take the wins when it works, take the other result when it doesn't. But take the criticism, both in the chat and the minus vote from people who think it's unfair as well. No need to agree, not even a need to understand (although understanding would of course be better, and in general I'm ready to try to make others understand my opinion), but there's a need to accept that somebody has that opinion and accept the minus vote without the childish immediate revenge minus.

Here short story on the Donkey minus poor persecuted Allagen got.
I gave him -2 for a double trick sprint in August. (not that I remember, but if I write double tricksprint that's what I saw)
My comment:
You don't understand cycling, by that you destroy the game with stuff like double trick sprints.
First part is about: We have completely different views on how to play the game, I play a cycling game, a simulation, he doesn't really care about cycling, he's a gamer, I'm a cycling freak (who loves to play as well) Different game-view, which is ok. Of course he's going to do trick sprints, he doesn't care about the reality of it, for him it's only clicking the buttons, I see it as a moving race, he sees it as a puzzle. Trick sprint, for me unfair, -1, he seems to have done 2 in one sprint, so it's -2. Which I feel is deserved and want it to stand and be accepted.
His comment
Tricksprint? Sprint is not always plan a. Changing wheels was my only way to win.
Yes tricksprint. He seems unsure to have done one? Changing wheels to somebody that is behind him (that's must be what he did judging from the comments) to me is a trick sprint. (And yes, I'll use my definition, everybody else can use theirs) he does it, if he wins, take the win, be happy. But accept that some people dislike it and find it unfair and give you a minus vote. Take that with the win (or whatever placement, don't remember if he won, but from the comment he probably did?). Allagen has proven again and again that he can't accept others negative fairplay votes. Automatic revenge.

Since I've always had 0 problems lowering myself to the level of others, I started giving back the revenge minus too a while ago, as a general rule. Did it twice here, became clear god will not accept it, ok, he won. Clap clap clap clap Allagen, you're such a great guy, really, a god, you won, I gave up giving you the minus vote I think you deserved, you won. You won against Big Donkey!!! Congrats! Clap clap clap clap! But well, in return I'm happy to annoy you. Another trick sprint later, same deal, he gets the minus, (with the added -2 I owe him from before) I get it back, I give up, clap clap again, great Allagen, never tired of winning, maybe you're not only god, but also Trump? Wonderful Allagen, wonderful. But yes, you won, I got tired of it, gave up, have it your way. But I will let you feel that you won, you had the choice, accept a minus vote, if you disagree you could have asked like a normal person why I think what I think, but no, you can't. So now deal with the Donkey that makes you feel what he thinks of you. You superb god! Ah, I see the harassment charge coming. Well, it's the only avenue you left me open to show my disagreement with your way to ride/sprint in that case. Can't give you minus votes, you closed that with childish revenge votes, so ok, this is it then, deal with the consequences of your own actions. Trick sprint? Get a minus vote. Your ego doesn't allow it? Ok, then your godlike ego has to deal with one of your "fans" making you feel his unhappiness in other ways. Also of course the revenge minus can be seen as harassment and attempted intimidation as well.

Yes, as should be obvious, I have it up to here with those guys, god complexes, unable to accept minus fairplay votes (some are even too proud to accept a comment with a 0, and have to give the 0 back..), immediate revenge. Not only Allagen, there's quite a few more.
If somebody gives me a minus vote because I "pull somebody to the win" by not taking the sprint out, so refusing to do a trick, I will accept that, won't feel the need to give back a -x, even if I indeed think it's a hilariously dumb vote I get. Same for the laughable vote today. Which btw can be seen as harassment as well.

Since Allagen (and others) clearly are unable to learn to accept others opinion in form of negative fairplay votes, and feel the need for revenge each time, it's time to put a stop to this. Maybe a nice little fine for this anti-social behaviour does the trick. It shouldn't be accepted that some managers decide that it's not allowed to give them negative votes (while they of course happily hand out negative votes (for ridiculous reasons at times)) themselves.

Ah, yes of course there are some fairplay votes that are ridiculous and abuse the system too. "sucker bla bla" for example. There can understand the revenge. But this is not what we're talking about here, what Allagen does is not that, he doesn't differentiate, it's an automatic refusal to accept a minus vote. Put a stop to this abuse of the system.

[Yamaka Corse]

Maybe is more a "technic" thing than a fairplay one

I agree with you, fairplay votes in this rsf are useless, just an old thing from when we were better people and had 2 minutes to congratulate each other at the end of stages.. Some just use that as personal sheet of notes, other just congrats with them old time friends ignoring completely other 20 players, everytime I see that page I wonder why is still here and we cannot search anymore racers by name? Would exchange the 2 things forever

Anyway, as FPC member I feel there is nothing we can do about that, can't fine players for things like the tricksprint, sucking as favo, or the fairplay vote, untill there aren't insult inside, already fined some and hope this will not become another case in future.

[Schartner Bombe]

Also ich glaube, keiner hier in C4F liest texte in der länge einer Doktorarbeit freiwillig.
könnten wir lassen? keiner hier in c4f ist auf die meinung eines einzigen angewiesen.
könnten wir nicht wie vor ungefähr 20 Jahren so halbwegs normal weiterspie
len?

[Schartner Bombe]

...oder andere Idee. Kannst du für deine Leser nicht auch sowas aufmachen wie 13.
Dann müssen wir das nicht lesen und du hast deine Anhänger.

[team fl]

1. Haven't we established at a point that the fairplay votes are merely personal remarks and not worth their name in the first place? As long as their content is not against the general rules (not offensive, racist, sexist, etc.), I don't see the point to deal with the way players use them. But that's the FPC's porblem, so lucky me .

2. So is the "revenge" vote (or several of them) harassement or a fairplay breach in any other way? I don't think so (at least in this particular case), but I guess it depends on the context, as usual. Maybe it's embarassing if anything, but thats also not against the rules.

3. Is this a revenge thread?

4. @Schartner Bombe: If you don't have something constructive to say, just don't. If you don't want to read the post, don't. But other than that it adds nothing of value. It's spam at best. And even if you think the initial post is of the same category, just write that in a constructive way. Thanks.

[Robyklebt]

Anyway, as FPC member I feel there is nothing we can do about that, can't fine players for things like the tricksprint, sucking as favo

Just to be clear, trick sprint, sucking, I'm not asking for any of that to be fined.

Fairplay vote IMO would be sensible. With serial abusers like Allagen (and others) who refuse to accept any criticism, give the minus vote back on principle. But ok, nothing can be done without insults you say. Not 100% correct IMO, but ok, need to change the rules then for something to happen. Or we just let god and co. run wild.

FL

1 Not completely. You for example take it seriously. You don't just hand out minus votes because you feel like it. You give them when you feel it's deserved, with a sensible comment. Many ignore it, some use it, some abuse it. An effort to stop the abusers, the automatic revenge voters first, general misuse/abuse later wouldn't be wrong.

2 It's annoying, it's antisocial. From a personal view (while realizing that everybody's sensibilities are different) If I give somebody a minus vote, in general I have my reasons and can explain in detail (especially if I give it to Schartner) why and how I give that minus vote. And I want it to stand and reflect my opinion. It still does, I know, even if the recipient gives me a -1 back. But it's the mindset behind the revenge minus that pisses me off, this self-righteous refusal to even consider that somebody might find their behaviour unfair, or worthy of a minus vote and might be justified in giving them that minus vote. A normal -3 like God gave me yesterday. So yes, I clearly would like something done against these revenge votes.

3 Partly of course yes. But only partly, this post was coming anyway sooner or later, the timing is revenge, the post itself was on its way for quite a while.