NC Spain: 26.06.25 False claim of team-attack

[Robyklebt]

It keeps happening, teams that yell team-attack in cases where there is none. Other teams that "confirm" those non-existing team attacks. IMO it's time that the yellers and the confirmers learn the rules. Again, this is not the first time I see it happening, most egregious example a while ago involving a newcomer, that did a mass attack, but not a team attack, and didn't react. But in theory it could happen that a new or newish (or experienced but unfortunately dumb) manager stops an attack due to the false and unfair accusation.

Km: 86, Steigung: 1

Pablo Gallego (Big Donkey) attackiert

Arturo Reina (EMAG) geht mit

Nino Navas (Romoc Riders) geht mit

Custodio Fortuny (Big Donkey) geht mit

Mariano Sala (FB Radsport Team) attackiert

Saul Gonzalez (Kreatief) attackiert

Rico Risco (Romoc Riders) geht mit

Reaction:

zizou(10:49): Corrected myself 1 min later
Kreatief(10:49): "we need to stop them"
Big Donkey(10:48): He's not through...
Big Donkey(10:48): If you guys lack the knowledge to know the rules, and lack the brains to go check them, instead throw out baseless accusations thus influencing the race and maybe less experienced managers... has to stop.
Kreatief(10:47): but GW Zizou
Kreatief(10:47): too bad
Big Donkey(10:47): Not enough riders in the original group.
Big Donkey(10:47): Ok, fairplay thread will be opened, for attempted influencing of a race with false accusations.
Romoc Riders(10:47): - if the original group has ≤14 riders
zizou(10:46): Below 14
zizou(10:46): No
Big Donkey(10:46): Think about it for a more than 10 seconds
Kreatief(10:46): yes
zizou(10:45): Teamattack?

1) While there were indeed 3 Donkey riders in the group that resulted from this attack, only 2 attacked/followed that km. No Almirall following, he was ahead. So asking "team attack" without even checking who attacked, is just acting in bad faith. Immediately claiming "yes", even more.

2) Now if all 3 riders had followed:
As Zizou in his second contribution and surprisingly Romoc pointed out: less than 14 riders in the original group. Way less, since not only Almirall with a FB companion but also Gonzalez were ahead of the Gallego group. So was a 6 man group at the point?

So 2 riders of one team follow out of a 6 man group, join a third ahead, and there's an attempt to claim there was a team attack?
THAT is unfair, that could cost a less experienced manager (or a dumber one, but that's an estimated 100% of managers) the race.
Something like this has to be sanctioned.
You could say Zizou only asked the question, then realized his mistake, but I say even asking the question when it's so obviously not a team attack, only 2 riders in the log qualifies as unfair influencing attempt.
Kreatief with his "yes" there's no question that this should be sanctioned.

[kreatief]

Thats a joke and hopefully there will be no further action.
Donkey seems to be frustated.

[Falcor CC]

FPC is investigating the case.

[Robyklebt]

Donkey seems to be frustated.

Ah, instead of focusing on what happened you focus on me?

But if you want to make it about me (logic, you seem to have realized that you were wrong now) yes, I'm frustrated by the constant lack of fairplay by certain players, which includes for example you. Claiming that there was a team-attack, when clearly there was none. You could have checked how many riders from the same teams were involved in that attack (2 from the Donkey, 2 from Romoc (that ended in different groups) nobody with 3), you could have checked how many riders were in the group of origin, but you didn't. Preferring to instead immediately spread misinformation.

[kreatief]

Don't get me wrong, I admire how much time you must have to dedicate to a simple YES. Above all, it was made clear in the second of my message.

Does your child get a fine if they answer 2+2 with 5? or how do you deal with the whole thing?

Don't you think you're making a big fuss about nothing?
Your description of what could have happened is crazy, but it's an online game and not reality.

[Bear]

I also think this is an important case because there are a lot of actions to influence the race. And this one is a pretty obvious and unfair one.

You all know the other ways to influence a race which some of you will say are tactic, and I say it's not fair. But I get along with that... (seems too much offtopic here anyway).

[kreatief]

Hi Bear, thanks for your contribution.
Do you think Trick Sprints is fair? Or sec tricks?

Should everything that seems unfair in your eyes be penalised from now on?

In every sport we have mind games, tricks, spells and more to lure the opponent out of the reserve.

In sports where it's about ambition etc. it would be strange if there were no games.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Interesting case.

Question is: Which rule has been broken? (Or: Is a new rule needed?)

[Bear]

Hi Bear, thanks for your contribution.
Do you think Trick Sprints is fair? Or sec tricks?

Should everything that seems unfair in your eyes be penalised from now on?

In every sport we have mind games, tricks, spells and more to lure the opponent out of the reserve.

In sports where it's about ambition etc. it would be strange if there were no games.

Long time ago I started to not care about others and not much about most of the races. This helps. Just sometimes I give some little notes and after that I realize that most of the other people think different. And then I start to not care at all again.

Just go ahead and play the game like you like it and enjoy it that way. I will just do it different.