Team attacks NC 25.02.2025

[Hansa]

9h Great United Kingdom teamattack (rule 3) by Bergwerk an Kreatif out of peloton while a single rider is in front, Berg at some point drops his to much rider, Kreatif doesnt later attacks out of that group. Is later caught and wins the NC with a different rider.

Km: 145, Steigung: -3

Luke Fast (Kreatief) attackiert

Neil Primrose (bergwerk) geht mit

Dustin Mulligan (Kreatief) geht mit

Ben Sherman (bergwerk) geht mit

HerbertGeorge Wells (Alkworld) geht mit

Jameson Wolf (Kreatief) attackiert

Will Goodenough (bergwerk) geht mit

James Wellington (Kreatief) geht mit

attack out of the peloton

Berg drops 1 of his guys on 149

Krea doesnt drop anyone and attacks again on 151 out of that group while the group still was 3 seconds in front of the peloton

Km: 151, Steigung: -1

Luke Fast (Kreatief) attackiert

Neil Primrose (bergwerk) geht mit

Dustin Mulligan (Kreatief) geht mit

Ben Sherman (bergwerk) geht mit

Jameson Wolf (Kreatief) geht mit

HerbertGeorge Wells (Alkworld) geht mit

losing one of his guy there

catching the single rider in front on 157

attacks out of that group while still having 3 guys there

Km: 158, Steigung: 4

Jameson Wolf (Kreatief) attackiert

Impact on the race probably yes as with 3 riders the others in that group couldnt chose whom to follow on the next attack, Berg had to chase in the back on 2vs 2 Berg might not chase and that group could go through with decent chances for Berg and Kreatif


Racechat:

Hansa(11:07): bergwerk verliert das rennen weil du ein 3 gegen 2 hast nach der 145 attacke statt ein 2 gegen 2 wenn die attacke legal gewesen wäre
Kreatief(11:07): so okay if i open a teamattack FPC case about BW waited 4km and he about i waited 6 km what will happen?
Big Donkey(11:06): 151 would be ok if it was from the peloton, since it wasn't, it's a continuation of the previous situation, which was ILLEGAL
Hansa(11:06): wenn die initalattacke in den letzten 20 km ist ist die ok aber an 145 ist die nicht ok und muss natürlich gelöst werden auch wenn die gruppe danach innerhalb der letzten 20 km kommt
Kreatief(11:06): and so BW said cause of these 2km he lost the race, not sure about this these
Hansa(11:06): nach 151 war es natürlich trotzdem nicht ok weil die team attacke auf 145 ja trotzdem davor war
Big Donkey(11:05): Falcor, yes
Kreatief(11:05): So Teamttack by BW and me km 145, he dropped km149 and i attacked km 151 where it was afterwards okay cause of the last 20km rule
Kreatief(11:04): BW has dropped his Rider km 149, so in the end i needed 2km longer
Kreatief(11:02): also 6km
Kreatief(11:02): nach 151 war es laut Alk okay wegen den letzten 20km
Kreatief(11:02): km 145 und km 151
Kreatief(11:02): Hansa 6km
Falcor CC(11:01): Thanks for clarifying BD, I didn't know that. But then if you send 2 riders ahead and just let them wait a bit when the next 2 attack that's completely legal?
Kreatief(11:01): nah the one rider dropped because of my attack
Hansa(11:00): and in that timke youz even managed to drop 1 rider that was to much but not the 2nd rider that was to much too?
Hansa(10:59): the other attack was on 158? thats 13 kms to find a solution to solve it
Kreatief(10:58): so FPC take the money, the points an we got no winner here, fine.
Big Donkey(10:57): Then it's allowed.
Big Donkey(10:57): Falcor, if you're still here, Germany is all ok, they all attacked with 2 each on different km.
Kreatief(10:57): there wasnt much time so resolved it, i resolved it with another attack, so yeah maybe not perfect
Hansa(10:56): hmm clear team attack on 145 bergwerk resolved it a couple kms after krea never reselvod it?
Kreatief(10:56): hihi BD funny girl
Kreatief(10:56): Kreatief(10:47): Bitte verzeihe meine Fahrweise, so this doenst count?
Big Donkey(10:56): Falcor... we're still supposed to follow the rules. I go and check Germany now!
Big Donkey(10:55): BW, he didn't apologize, he's just avoiding talking about km 145+151. He's playing Vogel Strauss.... but in the end whatever he says doesn't matter much, go to the forum, post the facts.
bergwerk(10:55): Kreatief(10:54): Kreatief(10:43): Tut mir leid BW das es nicht so gelaufen ist wie du es dir gewünscht hättest ???? das ist eine Entschuldigung ... funny
Kreatief(10:54): Kreatief(10:47): Bitte verzeihe meine Fahrweise
Kreatief(10:54): Kreatief(10:43): Tut mir leid BW das es nicht so gelaufen ist wie du es dir gewünscht hättest
Falcor CC(10:53): Also what about the NC's with only a few riders/teams...
Falcor CC(10:52): Thing is NC's are a special case... Look at German NC going on right now. 3 teams in attacks combining for around 12 riders (4 each). Following the rules that wouldn't be allowed either, but the peloton is 26mins behind so no one active there...
bergwerk(10:52): an welcher Stelle willst du dich entschuldigt haben? lese nur Vorwürfe gegenüber mir ...
Kreatief(10:51): thx BD for your help
Big Donkey(10:50): Unless they have completely lost their mind it should be successful, although doubtful what the official result of the race will be, if there is one.
Big Donkey(10:49): BW, the protest has to be done in the forum in the fairplay section.
Kreatief(10:47): Bitte verzeihe meine Fahrweise
Kreatief(10:47): was willst jetzt hier weg nehmen, Geld? Punkte?
Kreatief(10:46): und deswegen habe ich mich doch eben auch entschuldigt
bergwerk(10:45): ich habe mich sofort Entschuldigt als alk meinte es wäre ok ... nur mal so nebenbei
Big Donkey(10:44): Easy question for Kreatief: Was there an infraction of the fairplay rules in this race? If yes, what km and by whom?
bergwerk(10:44): finde es nur mehr als merkwürdig, dass du das ok findest, wie du gefahren bist
Big Donkey(10:44): I second BW
bergwerk(10:44): das hat mit Wünschen ganz wenig zu tun
bergwerk(10:43): aber ganz sicher das
Kreatief(10:43): Tut mir leid BW das es nicht so gelaufen ist wie du es dir gewünscht hättest
bergwerk(10:43): vielleicht sollte man die Regeln für die NM abschaffen ... das steht auf einem anderen Blatt
Kreatief(10:43): du dachtest an attackieren?
bergwerk(10:42): DAS WAR NICHT OK!!!! und ich habe oft genug geschrieben ... du bist 5-6 km zu viel gefahren, hast keinen fallen lassen ... hast zu früh wieder attackiert und und und ... denke, dass macht eine Menge aus ... abgesehen davon, dass ich auch an attackieren dachte oder sogar an durchfahren vorne aber nicht gegen 3-4 sondern 2.2
Kreatief(10:41): FPC could fine me the winning money
Kreatief(10:40): darauf kann man sich einigen, aber wir beide haben das wie gesagt jedes Jahr hier
Big Donkey(10:40): 145 is a teamattack, that wasn't corrected when at 151 the attack out of the group 3" in front of the peloton went.
Kreatief(10:40): ich denke du bist kein guter Verlierer und ich kein guter gewinner
Falcor CC(10:40): The Falcor needs to freshen up his Deutsch
Kreatief(10:40): wo hätten die noch einen Unterschied machen können
Falcor CC(10:40): The Falcor wants to know what's going on cause he can't follow
Felsenland(10:40): Salomnisches Urteil: Flint gewinnt
bergwerk(10:40): ich denke ich bin ein guter Verlierer ... aber das heute war unfair bis der Arzt kommt
Kreatief(10:40): du hast deine Fahrer nicht abgehängt
Kreatief(10:40): du hängst doch so oder so
bergwerk(10:40): warum musst du nun persönlich werden!
bergwerk(10:39): das meinst du!!! ich halte das für totalen Fusch was du gefahren bist
Kreatief(10:39): aber jedes Jahr ist dies wohl ein sehr emotionales Rennen für dich
Big Donkey(10:39): The Donkey watched the replay and the riders weren't in the peloton.
bergwerk(10:39): halte ich für durchaus möglich
Kreatief(10:39): also Bergwerk das war einfach nicht gut gefahren
Kreatief(10:39): also würdest du sagen das du mit deiner Taktik dann gewonnen hättest?
bergwerk(10:38): wäre ja ein Witz wenn das hier durchgeht
Felsenland(10:38): Sieht nicht danach aus
bergwerk(10:38): es ändert sich alles .... schließlich bist du ja lange mit 4 Fahrern gefahren ... dann zuviel attackiert (mit Sherman dran) ... ich hatte meinen Helfer wieder hinten... DENKE, dass alles waralles andere als sauber
Kreatief(10:36): vielleicht gewinnt eh Felseland, dann war dein Puls umsonst
Kreatief(10:36): du hast gehongen, so oder so
Kreatief(10:36): was ändert sich?
Kreatief(10:35): beruhig dich erstmal
bergwerk(10:35): sciher ändert scih komplett
Kreatief(10:35): hmm würde für dich doch eh nichts ändern
Kreatief(10:34): Fahrer kamen ins Feld zurück
bergwerk(10:34): tempo gestoppft reciht nicht ! warst nicht im Feld
Kreatief(10:34): Tempo gestoppt
bergwerk(10:33): das war NICHT OK !!!
bergwerk(10:33): ich melde offiziell PROTEST an!!!! Die Attacke war nicht aus dem Feld!!! wie eben schon erwähnt... nach der 1. Attacke ist Krea gefarhen und nicht fallen lassen .. danach vor dem Feld weiterattackiert !!!!
Kreatief(10:32): doenst fit BW anyway to win that much
Kreatief(10:32): but after 2 years of no win in GB it would be great
Kreatief(10:31): Flash is getting old
Big Donkey(10:31): Pfff, Dixon refuses to sprint since it's not for the win
Kreatief(10:31): same for paul
RV Allagen(10:31): Good luck
Felsenland(10:30): Und 89 form
Alkworld(10:30): hättet ruhig warten können
Alkworld(10:30): gewinnen kann jetzt eh nur einer
Felsenland(10:30): Mein Kraftaufwand beim folgen war vermutlich höher als der deiner Attacke
Felsenland(10:29): Die 2 Sprint machen nichts
Alpacas(10:28): Paul Flash needs to be banned
RV Allagen(10:28): Man muss auch nicht jeden abdecken, reicht der einzige der dir gefährlich werden kann
Kreatief(10:28): 2km für 2 sprint sollte fair sein
Kreatief(10:28): Felsen was sind das für spiele?
RV Allagen(10:28): Wobei es ist -2 sprint
bergwerk(10:27): der hing vorher schon an ihm ,,, kann ja nicht jeden abdecken ... und hat halt 1 bzw. effektiv 2 mehr
RV Allagen(10:27): Jetzt gewinnt flint
Kreatief(10:27): ne Shermann wollte mir ja als folgen
Kreatief(10:27): Felsen bin für den letzten km wieder drin
RV Allagen(10:27): Shermann scheinbar nicht fit
bergwerk(10:26): bin nicht mitgekommen ... war schon klar, dass er auf ihn fährt ...
Alkworld(10:26): Sherman hing und war zu schwach
RV Allagen(10:26): An Flash kann man schon man hängen, der soll recht gute Skills haben für eine 3er Attacke
Alkworld(10:25): q.e.d
bergwerk(10:25): gw
RV Allagen(10:24): Bw fährt auf Sprint? Das geht doch nur schief
Kreatief(10:24): sorr y
RV Allagen(10:24): English please ladies!
RV Allagen(10:23): In England ist immer gut was los
Kreatief(10:21): übe das jetzt auch mal;)
Alkworld(10:21): während der Fahrt quatschen ist zu gefährlich, deswegen chatten wir jetzt hier unten
Alkworld(10:20): jetzt sieht man es tatsächlich nicht
Kreatief(10:20): das ist zu tief
Kreatief(10:20): ey ich sehe den Chat einfach nicht
Alkworld(10:20): später im Replay dann
bergwerk(10:19): war im Feld ??? dann habe ich es nicht geshene = SORRY
bergwerk(10:19): die 2 Attacke war aber aus der 1 Attacke ohne Fallen lassen
Alkworld(10:19): hat gestoppt, war im Feld und hat nochmal attackiert
Alkworld(10:18): schon gemerkt, dass das zwei Attacken waren?
bergwerk(10:18): eben!!
Alkworld(10:17): die erste Attacke war mehr als 20km vor Ende, da gilt die Regel mit verketteten Attacken noch
bergwerk(10:17): kann doch nicht erlaubt sein, weil er sie nicht hat fallen lassen!
bergwerk(10:17): hallo
Alkworld(10:17): "isses nicht" -> was genau?
bergwerk(10:16): das waren ja nur 3 weil er die nicht hat fallen lassen!!!
RV Allagen(10:16): Aber oftmals sind die Felder auch zu klein
bergwerk(10:16): isses nicht ... sonst hätte ich meinen ja nicht fallen lassen müssen ... und es war nicht aus dem Feld
Kreatief(10:16): top
Alkworld(10:15): gerade so
Alkworld(10:15): letzte 20km
Alkworld(10:15): jetzt ist's OK
bergwerk(10:15): ist immer noch einer zuviel
Alkworld(10:14): das ist eine andere Frage
RV Allagen(10:14): Ah okay. Hatte nicht immer den Eindruck, dass sich daran gehalten wird
Alkworld(10:14): ja klar
bergwerk(10:14): zurückl
RV Allagen(10:13): Gelten bei den NM überhaupt die normalen Regeln?
Alkworld(10:13): Kreatief zwei, bergwerk einer
Alkworld(10:13): yes
bergwerk(10:12): zuviele von beiden oder
RV Allagen(10:11): Hi Fans!
Hansa(10:11): but in other races the palyers can acces the chat see algeria, is that a cat 3 race problem?
Alkworld(10:03): yes, they always can
Falcor CC(10:00): I think only 'enhanced' users (admins, fpc) can access race chat?
Elaska(09:55): If you pay attention also, when bergwerk go off a while he is showed off for the total kms of the race
bergwerk(09:54): thought the points are doing the cat^^
Hansa(09:54): Maybe with the nations ranking back we can change that up and make the Cat dependend on the total points of a country?
bergwerk(09:54): oh sorry Falcor !!!!
ATB - Racing(09:54): Oh, so i learned something and now i can try to forget it again.
Elaska(09:53): Chats are supposed to be separated?
ATB - Racing(09:52): bergwerk(09:37): the countries with the most points are longer .... aha, i was always wondering
Alkworld(09:51): actually the cat3 NCs are not dependent on points, some are just selected to be cat3 (and therefore longer)
bergwerk(09:49): have fun in the game + cu
Falcor CC(09:49): You opened a new world for me! Thanks
bergwerk(09:41): https://cycling4freaks.com/statistics countries
Falcor CC(09:40): Points as in season/eternal points from riders?
bergwerk(09:37): the countries with the most points are longer
Falcor CC(09:35): Why are all the 9am races 105km but this one 170km?
Big Donkey(09:12): Bear is main chat in Canada
Felsenland(08:59): Good morning
bergwerk(08:58): ;D
Alkworld(08:57): great, private chat for me
bergwerk(08:57): see yes
bergwerk(08:57): noop
Alkworld(08:57): Can you use the race chat?
bergwerk(08:47): glückauf and good morning
Big Donkey(08:38): Dixon feels confident to win in a sprint
Kreatief(08:19): why not a real classic circle? Sprint is boring
Kreatief(08:19): not that interesting this year
Kreatief(08:19): hi

[kreatief]

So BW and me both did a Teamattack, i decide to attack.
Alk said it was okay cause ot the last 20km rules and so i operated on.

Im Sorry if this was wrong and i will take a warning.
Fine would be too much as there wasnt any points or money in the race.



As Hansa writes its like this, i will edit my post here.

Just to clearance, BW had the better riders in group but did not ride.
He wanted a MS and try to block on the last 2 3er mountains.

He had a rider to cover Paul and he would win if he just followed.
SO this is a real question if he really loses of this.

EVen Felsenland get it right to hang and finished 2nd ahead of BW.

[Hansa]

Team attack NC Finland

Km: 21, Steigung: 0

Paavo Lääspa (Atletico Lula) attackiert

Lassi Kinnunen (ATB - Racing) geht mit

Tove Jansson (ATB - Racing) geht mit

Kimi Filppula (Carrera Blue Jeans) geht mit

Miku Jokinen (Liberty Sarténe) geht mit

Sampo Satamapäällikkö (ATB - Racing) geht mit

Timo Parvela (ATB - Racing) geht mit

they at some point dropped out of that group but never back to the peloton as ATB stated he wasnt able to drop them back to the peloton with noone riding there and him having no riders there, but caught right back up to the group, ATB Later wins the race out of that group

ATB - Racing(11:06): Still will open a thread and also ask for some IP checks
ATB - Racing(11:06): Well dropping back to the peloton is not possible if none of my riders are left there. Ok will keep it in mind for the future
Big Donkey(11:00): So all following attacks are still a direct consquence from the team attack at km 15
Big Donkey(11:00): You're supposed to drop your riders back to the peloton, not just behind that group.
Big Donkey(10:59): First team attack at km 15 was never resolved.
Big Donkey(10:59): Looking at the replay: not ok.
ATB - Racing(10:54): Atletico Lula (25) and Liberty Sarténe (24)
ATB - Racing(10:43): Atletico Lula (11) and Liberty Sarténe (10)
ATB - Racing(10:40): Anyway. In my eyes what i did was correct, if not i will take the fine and will keep it in mind for the future. (Your riding for Liberty as well for sure)
ATB - Racing(10:39): Full online? Naaah. You had the Red dot several times and (15)
Atletico Lula(10:37): i was online full time, i see your steps, 1. time you drop 2 riders-- 2.nd time you drop one rider,3.th you drop one rider
ATB - Racing(10:29): Timo was the one who dropped AFTER Lassi. Lassi was set to "aus Gruppe fallen lassen". Timo was on helping him
ATB - Racing(10:28): Another "friendship"
ATB - Racing(10:25): Also interessting Lula riding for Liberty ....
ATB - Racing(10:25): I dropped one the other Was on helping and dropped the km afterwards
Atletico Lula(10:22): and 3riders keep in group
Atletico Lula(10:22): Km: 18, Incline: 0 Timo Parvela (ATB - Racing) drops back, Km: 24, Incline: -1 Timo Parvela (ATB - Racing) drops back
Carrera Blue Jeans(10:21): verrückt, sogar in so einem Kackrennen dampft es.... ist nicht mehr anzuschauen dieses Game.
Atletico Lula(10:21): gw for your teamattack win
Atletico Lula(10:21): only one rider 3 times!
Atletico Lula(10:21): no, you dont dropped
ATB - Racing(10:19): If this (Post 10:10) isnt legal i am fine with a fine
ATB - Racing(10:18): ATB - Racing(10:10): I dropped them, you stopped tempo and i made tempo and caught you back
ATB - Racing(10:13): It was a chained attack
ATB - Racing(10:13): I drop one (Lassi) and Timo helped him
ATB - Racing(10:13): No watch the replay
Atletico Lula(10:12): you drop one rider, attacks with 4
ATB - Racing(10:12): AGAIN i closed it
ATB - Racing(10:11): AGAIN i will close the gap
Atletico Lula(10:11): again teamattack
ATB - Racing(10:11): AGAIN i will drop them
Atletico Lula(10:10): m: 21, Incline: 0 Paavo Lääspa (Atletico Lula) attacks Lassi Kinnunen (ATB - Racing) follows Tove Jansson (ATB - Racing) follows Kimi Filppula (Carrera Blue Jeans) follows Miku Jokinen (Liberty Sarténe) follows Sampo Satamapäällikkö (ATB - Racing) follows Timo Parvela (ATB - Racing) follows
Atletico Lula(10:10): AGAIN teamattack!!!
ATB - Racing(10:10): Report it!
ATB - Racing(10:10): I dropped them, you stopped tempo and i made tempo and caught you back
ATB - Racing(10:09): Just watch the replay
Atletico Lula(10:09): ok i report this
Atletico Lula(10:09): drop him on peloton !!!!
ATB - Racing(10:09): I dropped them and caught you back
Atletico Lula(10:09): wtf ? TEAMATTACK !!!!!!!!
ATB - Racing(10:08): Just watch the race
Atletico Lula(10:08): Paavo Lääspa (Atletico Lula) attacks Lassi Kinnunen (ATB - Racing) follows Tove Jansson (ATB - Racing) follows Kimi Filppula (Carrera Blue Jeans) follows Miku Jokinen (Liberty Sarténe) follows Sampo Satamapäällikkö (ATB - Racing) follows Timo Parvela (ATB - Racing) follows
ATB - Racing(10:08): Wow genius
Atletico Lula(10:08): yes but you
ATB - Racing(10:07): Teamattack!!!!
Atletico Lula(10:07): teamattack !
ATB - Racing(10:04): Lula on when Liberty off and vice versa
ATB - Racing(10:04): Lula for Liberty?

[Hansa]

Rule 1 Team attack Portugal

Km: 19, Steigung: 1

Joao Fale (S L Benfica) attackiert

Joao Gomas (O Imperdor) geht mit

Toi Foguete (S L Benfica) attackiert

Lara Fernandes (FCPorto1988) geht mit

Sergio Rocha (S L Benfica) attackiert

Joao Bugalho (S L Benfica) attackiert

Tiago Ferreira (FCPorto1988) geht mit

Manuel Barnabé (O Imperdor) geht mit

Benfica does stop shortly after so that one gets resolved but still a Rule 1 team attack

S L Benfica(11:11): i stop
ATB - Racing(11:09): Km 19 team attack

[ATB - Racing]

I dropped the riders from the group and put Lassi and then Timo on to help.
Then I let them catch up again.
With a bit of a gap, that was/is probably against the rules. The race situation BEFORE the attack was not restored.

I would also like to apologize for the “genius” towards Atletico.

What I don't understand, however, is why Atletico went after Timo at the beginning.
Also, in the beginning it looked like Liberty was always on when Atletico was off. But apparently the displays were always “crazy” today.
It looked, at least to me, as if Atletico were driving for Liberty

[bergwerk cycling]

So BW and me both did a Teamattack, i decide to attack.
Alk said it was okay cause ot the last 20km rules and so i operated on.

Im Sorry if this was wrong and i will take a warning.
Fine would be too much as there wasnt any points or money in the race.



As Hansa writes its like this, i will edit my post here.

Just to clearance, BW had the better riders in group but did not ride.
He wanted a MS and try to block on the last 2 3er mountains.

He had a rider to cover Paul and he would win if he just followed.
SO this is a real question if he really loses of this.

EVen Felsenland get it right to hang and finished 2nd ahead of BW.

after i see krea did a statement i will do it too:

- Attack comes from krea (4 riders from him /3 from me) i let my rider fall 2-3 km later after i ask for teamattac
- He rides on with his 4 riders (i ride in the back)
- After 6? km he dont let his 2 riders fall - he only goes out of tempo! (a great different! - otherwise i would have a 2-2 chance and a reason to ride myself)
- Then he attac out of these group again 4 sec infront of peloton
- i ask again for teamattac (alk sayed it would no teamattac because he comes out of peloton 20 km before the end)
- i believe alk and accepted it (but krea did the attac and he didnt see that he wasnt before peloton there??????!!!!!)

BW had the better riders in group but did not ride. - I would ride for sure infront - but not vs. 4 riders after Teamattac!!!
He wanted a MS and try to block on the last 2 3er mountains. MS was my last chance because you were infront after the attac and i only could ride behind - what else should i do after youre infront? ... i had 5 fit riders (and it was not my sprinter!!)

I think that two false attacks had a big impact - at least for me! Perhaps he had won anyway, but that is only theory!
The race is over now anyway ... but I would like to see a fair fight at the next edition! Thks.

[Hansa]

FPC is reviewing all 3 cases.

[Alkworld]

after i see krea did a statement i will do it too:

- Attack comes from krea (4 riders from him /3 from me) i let my rider fall 2-3 km later after i ask for teamattac
- He rides on with his 4 riders (i ride in the back)
- After 6? km he dont let his 2 riders fall - he only goes out of tempo! (a great different! - otherwise i would have a 2-2 chance and a reason to ride myself)
- Then he attac out of these group again 4 sec infront of peloton
- i ask again for teamattac (alk sayed it would no teamattac because he comes out of peloton 20 km before the end)
- i believe alk and accepted it (but krea did the attac and he didnt see that he wasnt before peloton there??????!!!!!)

BW had the better riders in group but did not ride. - I would ride for sure infront - but not vs. 4 riders after Teamattac!!!
He wanted a MS and try to block on the last 2 3er mountains. MS was my last chance because you were infront after the attac and i only could ride behind - what else should i do after youre infront? ... i had 5 fit riders (and it was not my sprinter!!)

I think that two false attacks had a big impact - at least for me! Perhaps he had won anyway, but that is only theory!
The race is over now anyway ... but I would like to see a fair fight at the next edition! Thks.

During the race I thought the 2nd attack was OK, as I saw the 1st group stopping. What I only saw in the replay (only after the race of course) was that the 1st group didn't make it back to the peloton before the 2nd attack (3s ahead).

[flockmastoR]

SO this is a real question if he really loses of this.

No, the first question is: Did you do an illegal team attack? If so, the next question is: Did you react properly in the race situation? If you didn't react properly in the race situation, the next question would be: Did the illegal action have an impact on the race outcome (and if yes, how big was the impact) AND how is your reaction now.

Alk said it was okay cause ot the last 20km rules and so i operated on.

RV Allagen(10:13): Gelten bei den NM überhaupt die normalen Regeln?

You know what a team attack is, you were told that it is a team attack. If you are not sure, you had enough time to check again after being told and after bw dropped a rider. So don't play the fool here. Experience managers spreading misinformation is a problem, but you need to know better with nearly 1000 races.

Kreatief(10:47): was willst jetzt hier weg nehmen, Geld? Punkte?

You didn't earn points or money, but you earned a win and a palmares entry and a jersey. A fine would be the logical outcome, see http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... =16&t=9661

[kreatief]

Good to see AAD has something to say.
Thanks for that.

In the End Berg did a Teamattack and needs 4km so change this and i needed 6 before new Action started.
So do you want to fine uns both?

So in the end no winner?

[flockmastoR]

Good to see BD has something to say.
Thanks for that.

In the End Berg did a Teamattack and needs 4km so change this and i needed 6 before new Action started.
So do you want to fine uns both?

So in the end no winner?

don't play the fool

[kreatief]

I dont think this should be the right fine.
If you want to take money than make us race for money, otherwise take the win.

Wouldnt make any sense to take money from me and bw.

[lennylenny]

in regular races a team attack usually gets a fixed fine as punishment + whatever is gained (finacially and Palmares) because of the team attack, if there weren't any gains it is just the fixed fine

so in a NC the same can be applied: fixed fine + whatever is gained, so no extra money on the fine but removal of the jersey and palmares entry

[Felsenland]

Logical solution for the GB NC: Keith Flint is the new Champion

[S L Benfica]

Rule 1 Team attack Portugal

Km: 19, Steigung: 1

Joao Fale (S L Benfica) attackiert

Joao Gomas (O Imperdor) geht mit

Toi Foguete (S L Benfica) attackiert

Lara Fernandes (FCPorto1988) geht mit

Sergio Rocha (S L Benfica) attackiert

Joao Bugalho (S L Benfica) attackiert

Tiago Ferreira (FCPorto1988) geht mit

Manuel Barnabé (O Imperdor) geht mit

Benfica does stop shortly after so that one gets resolved but still a Rule 1 team attack

S L Benfica(11:11): i stop
ATB - Racing(11:09): Km 19 team attack

goodnight.
I stopped after the attack, I was on the app and got confused when attacking, but I stopped immediately.
In the second attack, there were runners who followed the emperor, leaving more than 4 runners in front of me, I stopped again!
I was the one who controlled the race from start to finish and I was always the one who set the time, the ATB was there and you know I stopped! in the chat itself there is a reference to where I stopped!

[Hansa]

FPC decided:

Team attack UK:
No fine for Bergwerk as he resolved his teamattack.
50K fine to Kreatief as he didnt try to resolve the attack.
Deleting the palmares entry and taking away the jersey.

As there is no clear solution on who wins without the team attack it wont be awarded to someone else.

Team attack Finland:
No fine as ATB tried to resolve the team attack but was unable to drop his riders back to the peloton,
However the win still results out of the team attack therefor the Palmares entry will be deleted and the jersey taken away.

As there is no clear solution on who wins without the team attack it wont be awarded to someone else.

Team attack Portugal:
S L Benfica receives a warning for a Rule 1 Team attack, even so it was resolved Rule 1 team attacks shouldnt happen in the first place.
as the team attack was resolved and had no influence on the outcome of the race the race result stays.