Hansa Toxic race/chat + Rule abuse

[cataracs]

Other fairplay rules:
- Every manager must do the best for his team . Separation of private and C4F is required.

Hansa(20:17): I also dont really care about mountain jersey just wanted to fuck up a tour and stage favo going im escape twice

Elaska(20:41): Omg gw
Allrad(20:40): Gw
White Red(20:40): gw narren
Hansa(20:39): At least no winner that was in escape twice
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:39): gw
Radunion(20:39): gw
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:39): oh wow, actually Narren who takes the leader jersey
stevens(20:39): Gw narren
Hansa(20:39): Gw narren
stevens(20:37): I played badly
stevens(20:36): I was on you lenny with nata
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:36): gw stevens
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:36): fuck
Hansa(20:33): Yes thought the same sprinter with 2x bonis not chanceless here
Hansa(20:33): Yes thought the same sprinter with 2x bonis not chanceless here
Radunion(20:32): if there is a sprint yesterday and i get first or second I could actually try for GC here. Same true for the sprinter that had a chance to beat me yesteday
Hansa(20:30): Wow big surprise
Radunion(20:26): no point in doing nothing
Radunion(20:26): I want some money without going under reg, the best I can get after hoping somebody closes the gap after the split
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:24): Radu wants some GC money
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:22): you don't need two helpers
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:22): Earth to Viromet
Elaska(20:21): Allrad you lose helper advantage VS stevens hehe
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:21): Vasigaran is back after the grenn km
Hansa(20:21): Woild have üreffered to go for stage yesterday but wasnt possible in that group
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:20): stage and gc win through Escape is always possible if the group doesn't fight hard for mountain jersey
Elaska(20:19): Mountain jersey is the best thing you can play atm with your team
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:19): Allrad maybe interested in catching Elaska?
stevens(20:18): Your matrix on me is phenomenal
Hansa(20:17): I also dont really care about mountain jersey just wanted to fuck up a tour and stage favo going im escape twice
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:17): Viro???
Elaska(20:17): Don't looks like
Elaska(20:16):
Hansa(20:16): Elaska*
Hansa(20:16): I dont care about you at all lenny
Elaska(20:16): I m very happy with stevens kicking your ass for mountain jersey.
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:16): no Emile here Viro?
Elaska(20:15): You think Lenny's win affects me?
Hansa(20:14): I was very happy with lenny winning yesterday
Lenny SnakeCycling(20:13): Hansa's intention here is pretty obvious
Hansa(20:12): Well
Hansa(20:12): With 49 sprint
Hansa(20:12): So in the end you did attack
Elaska(20:11): I think you understand only tempo Hansa
Hansa(20:04): Sounds stupid espacially withh low sprint only hangimg doesnt help
Elaska(19:58): And I m not taking the risk of attacking with 49sprint
Lenny SnakeCycling(19:58): also start is higher altitude than finish, so some natural recovery too
Radunion(19:56): start means little, finish is important if it is not too much at the start
Elaska(19:55): Salah started under reg
Hansa(19:54): Stevens can follow
Radunion(19:54): why not Salah? Flat is important on +4
Elaska(19:54): He can be followed by better sprinters
Hansa(19:54): Allrad not stronger than bouslami
Elaska(19:53): Than allrad
Elaska(19:53): Strongest one is viro I guess
Radunion(19:50): he either needs very good form or a good guess who has
Lenny SnakeCycling(19:50): still not exactly easy if a strong last km attack goes and gets a gap + bonifincations
Elaska(19:49): Lenny can keeps yellow easy
Lenny SnakeCycling(19:49): i think Elaska is talking about me having leader jersey but no need to do tempo
Hansa(19:49): Stevens is a stage favo today not sure why hes let in a group snyways
Radunion(19:49): stage win is wide open, so why only lenny
Lenny SnakeCycling(19:49): nah, perfect would have been Taka attacking with his two flatties from the big group after it stopped
Elaska(19:48): Perfect scénario for lenny
Elaska(19:44):
Hansa(19:28): No i am at a restaurant
Elaska(19:27): Is that your tactical level?
Elaska(19:27): So you used the offline tactic. You set your clock 2min before the' Kom?
Hansa(19:24): Same as stevens yesterday, good eyes elaska
Elaska(19:22): And sprinting without any ride for it
Lenny SnakeCycling(19:22): fighting for the jersey obviously
Hansa(19:22): Why not?
Elaska(19:22): Why do you hang the?
Hansa(19:21): Moin, sorry not interested in that group
Elaska(19:09): You were angry yesterday Taka?
Radunion(19:05): he is aff at the moment
Elaska(19:05): Ah off
Elaska(19:04): Hansa?
White Red(18:57): good evening
Radunion(18:57): hi
stevens(18:55): Hi
Lenny SnakeCycling(18:52): hi
Elaska(18:43): Holà
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[Hansa]

I did the best for my team, fucking up stevens was part of it he shouldnt be in any group so the best for my team was to avoid riding in any group with the topfavo in and fucking him up.

[Radunion]

I agree that cooperation in this edition is bad, but this is not a fair play issue. It is a legitimate tactic to ride against the team you think is favo. Even sucking is not against the fair-play rules, but something that other teams will react to in future races. So what is the point here? Is it about bad language or do you want the FC second guess all the tactics in the game?

[cataracs]

I did the best for my team, fucking up stevens was part of it he shouldnt be in any group so the best for my team was to avoid riding in any group with the topfavo in and fucking him up.

Are you playing some porn game? you just write about fucking. Those are big words for all the minors in the game you usually mention when I talk about brains.

I agree that cooperation in this edition is bad, but this is not a fair play issue. It is a legitimate tactic to ride against the team you think is favo. Even sucking is not against the fair-play rules, but something that other teams will react to in future races. So what is the point here? Is it about bad language or do you want the FC second guess all the tactics in the game?

What are you even talking about?
Hansa isn't involved in the gc at all and he directly said all he cares about is "fucking someone up" that's clearly against the rules.

[Team stevens]

Taka is so right the level of toxicity is unbelievable!

In the first stage, we have Elaska/allrad/me in front, which are good teams for the GC (all 3 have a chance, plus Elaska a hell of a sprinter).

he's not a favo I'm in front with Elaska and allrad that's 3 good teams that won't be chasing behind, no he's ruining my race.

Stage 2 I have to play for points to try and keep the best climber and I think that's what he didn't like.

The declarations are catastrophic, you've got someone in the chat who wishes you defeat who openly says he's ruining your race who celebrates when your opponent wins. It's highly toxic.

[Hansa]

So lets take a real look at the situation and rules:

Stage 1 stevens only sends 1 guy in front no puller whiöe being stage and GC favo, others did this too, then he proceeds to take the mountain points while not riding at allrad tried the same, that ultimately killed the group.

On stage 2 stevens again is stage and still GC favo and to expect to go in the group at all, i dont like that so i hang on him without the intent at all to ride with him just killing a group with him in.

Lets take a look at the rules now:

Unrealistic Arrangements:
Unrealistic arrangements are not allowed. Every manager must do the best for his team. Separation of private and C4F is required.

The part pointed out here is under unrealistic arrangement, there was no unrealistic arrangement as there wasnt any arrangement with everyone, it was sinply me doing what i felt doing against stevens in this case was the right thing. As tour and stage favo going for red is a pity anyways and destroying the group with this is just annoying but if thats his tactic, ok i use mine.

There are multiple tactics that can grow out of this, late group for example, me beating stevens while i try to avoid him getting more points could happen too, nothing of this was really planned but a group with stevens in it which has no chance anyways is for sure the worst thing for my team in this situation.

So i still dont see where exactly should be any rule break.

To the language, ok fucking someone up is not the nicest word choice but its also no insult and nothing very vulgare but if thats the issue the other fpc member for sure can decide on that.

So all in all, if you ride annoyingly during early stages of the tour you should expect others to pay back that during the tour, i cant find that part in the current fairplay rules but in the old fairplay rules that even was in there.

[Elaska]

Yeah hard to consider that as an fair play case.

But I guess some of us there will be very happy to push against Hansa's gk interest, even if it's an unrealistic arrangement and not the best for the team
At least for my part, from now, I will be very happy for anyone win except Hansa.

[Team stevens]

So lets take a real look at the situation and rules:

Stage 1 stevens only sends 1 guy in front no puller whiöe being stage and GC favo, others did this too, then he proceeds to take the mountain points while not riding at allrad tried the same, that ultimately killed the group.

On stage 2 stevens again is stage and still GC favo and to expect to go in the group at all, i dont like that so i hang on him without the intent at all to ride with him just killing a group with him in.

Lets take a look at the rules now:

Unrealistic Arrangements:
Unrealistic arrangements are not allowed. Every manager must do the best for his team. Separation of private and C4F is required.

The part pointed out here is under unrealistic arrangement, there was no unrealistic arrangement as there wasnt any arrangement with everyone, it was sinply me doing what i felt doing against stevens in this case was the right thing. As tour and stage favo going for red is a pity anyways and destroying the group with this is just annoying but if thats his tactic, ok i use mine.

There are multiple tactics that can grow out of this, late group for example, me beating stevens while i try to avoid him getting more points could happen too, nothing of this was really planned but a group with stevens in it which has no chance anyways is for sure the worst thing for my team in this situation.

So i still dont see where exactly should be any rule break.

To the language, ok fucking someone up is not the nicest word choice but its also no insult and nothing very vulgare but if thats the issue the other fpc member for sure can decide on that.

So all in all, if you ride annoyingly during early stages of the tour you should expect others to pay back that during the tour, i cant find that part in the current fairplay rules but in the old fairplay rules that even was in there.

Seriously, if you don't want to ride, that's your choice, even if it's hard to understand. It's like you have a vested interest in the GK.

I don't mind the gameplay, it's the chat, and above all you don't see how ridiculous it is because you have no interest in the GK and the stage… The guy designates me GC and stage favo then he wishes my annihilation because I make a decision that doesn't suit him... ( Elaska, Allrad in front too)

Allrad throws a big attack at the foot of the climb before me, so I'm supposed to do nothing just because Hansa has decided something?

I don't see any fpk issue either that's okay but I find your vocabulary/actions very average.

[Pokemon Club]

FPC is investigating the case

[Tukhtahuaev]

FPC decided to not give a fine to Hansa