05.12.24 Dunedin Cycling Cup 14h. Team attack by Taka

[Robyklebt]

Attack with 3 riders by r Taka

Km: 147, Steigung: 10

Paul Wenger (Wolfpack Cycling Team) attackiert

Narcisse Ewodo (RV Allagen) geht mit

Abdullah Yilmaz (r TAKA) attackiert

Iskander Sherer (Medical Service) geht mit

Jonah Fabisch (RV Allagen) geht mit

Munyaradzi Mutale (Medical Service) geht mit

Stanley Longbottom (Big Donkey) geht mit

Thorkell Haraldsson (r TAKA) attackiert

Roberts Kukulis (Dynamo Leinad) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Edgar Boeira (Wolfpack Cycling Team) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Freek Dillen (Medical Service) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Haregot Woldemariam (Big Donkey) geht mit

Dominique Pinho (Wolfpack Cycling Team) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Matthew Filemon (SouthWest Packers) attackiert

Pau Prim (Dynamo Leinad) geht mit

Oliver Lepko (SouthWest Packers) attackiert

Emir Öztürk (r TAKA) attackiert

Since Yilmaz was the guy in tempo it did have a rather big effect on the race.

4 Cliff Kinnen 60 83 62 55 53 79.7 39 00:00:00
Medical Service
53 Igor Blume 55 87 63 50 54 76.8 53 00:00:00
Dynamo Leinad
65 Alaa Bellaarouch 56 78 76 52 60 70.8 57 00:00:00
RV Allagen
71 Tyler Silveira 71 78 62 55 55 71.1 54 00:01:04
Wolfpack Cycling Team
81 Alexander Hajek 73 77 63 48 46 68.9 55 00:01:04
T-Mobile-A
15 Enea Novelli 72 76 74 50 51 66.7 36 00:01:04
Big Donkey
21 Emir ÖztürkNC_TR 75 77 49 45 65 69.5 44 00:01:16
r TAKA
18 Tapihana UruNC_NZ 74 76 71 46 44 68.5 35 00:01:17
Big Donkey
25 Thorkell Haraldsson 72 80 67 51 64 70.1 58 00:01:20
r TAKA
19 Haregot Woldemariam 73 73 75 63 49 67.9 65 00:01:20 None Big Donkey
42 Matthew Filemon 64 85 70 49 57 75.4 47 00:01:35
SouthWest Packers
51 Pau Prim 70 79 76 48 49 70.6 50 00:01:35 None Dynamo Leinad
47 Oliver Lepko 62 89 70 50 47 76.1 48 00:01:38
SouthWest Packers
29 Abdullah Yilmaz 63 80 59 48 53 78.5 42 00:01:41
r TAKA
2 Iskander Sherer 63 85 56 46 61 75.1 38 00:01:41 None Medical Service
3 Munyaradzi Mutale 62 84 62 46 52 75.6 40 00:01:41 None Medical Service
14 Stanley Longbottom 59 77 75 45 43 71 53 00:01:41 None Big Donkey
61 Jonah Fabisch 65 70 73 47 79 62.8 43 00:01:41 None RV Allagen
1 Freek Dillen 71 76 62 51 72 67.6 36 00:02:34 None Medical Service

The 3 Takas and the first in the peloton who couldn't follow. He's 53" behind Yilmaz, the guy who attacked out of tempo.
Taka's defence, with a sectrick out of tempo it's the same, IMO not valid since it's not exactly the same, unless you're extremely lucky and get the right second, you still can react to a sectrick, like this not, just hang and hope. Like this the 2 taka leaders (with the clever Donkey on the wheel, I think I actually profited most from this, group through, 5th with Wolde...) had 1'14" over the peloton. It would be a bit over 20" if Yilmaz stayed in tempo, maybe the same if Yilmaz went out, but maybe somebody then would have blocked.

IMO this really changed the whole race, without this attack I don't think the group in front goes through, some teams like Romoc had their whole team in the back etc etc.

r TAKA(15:31): well even if it blocked Romoc would still be there
Romoc Riders(15:30): one is just bait and the "leaders" continued
Big Donkey(15:30): Not exactly like going out in the last second, because if you miss that last second, your advantage is less. If somebody sees it, block.
Romoc Riders(15:30): you attacked on purpose with 3 riders
r TAKA(15:30): how is this unfair?
Romoc Riders(15:30): drop Ozturk and we talk again
Romoc Riders(15:29): i mean. this is unfair on purpose
Romoc Riders(15:29): Yilmaz no longer relevant in this race
r TAKA(15:29): Yeah I know but not really it's like going out at the last second
Romoc Riders(15:29): r TAKA(15:27): I'll drop Yilmaz. this is stupid imo
T-Mobile-A(15:28): thx
Romoc Riders(15:28): ok ok
Big Donkey(15:28): That's just following, not own attack
Big Donkey(15:28): Hajek can go out on downhills, saves a little energy
Romoc Riders(15:28): but was not a rule for the incline %?
Big Donkey(15:28): I say we go
Big Donkey(15:27): Not personal, but by attacking with the guy that was in tempo you change everything here.
T-Mobile-A(15:27): we go with Hajek + co. or wait?
Big Donkey(15:27): Yes, but I will have to open a thread anyway.
r TAKA(15:27): I'll drop Yilmaz
Big Donkey(15:27): Allowed I mean
Big Donkey(15:26): Only 2 riders attack themselves
Big Donkey(15:26): Team attack Taka
Romoc Riders(15:26): well

In the chat: Thanks to the excellent mintact (props to the designer) we could react and discuss it immediately, dropping Yilmas at this point was rather pointless. He did drop him at 149, but little point in that really.

[NBeullens]

I think that the Donkey is completely right here, even though taka did drop Yilmaz the damage was already done. It was an attack by 3 riders which is against the rules. It isnt like 2 attacking and 1 following which you can't control, 3 guys on attack is done with the intention of what happened. You can't put 3 riders on attack and then claim it was within' the rules. I myself used some dirty tricks during the NC of Tuvalu by putting all 5 riders on the three online guys which meant when they attacked my 5 riders were in the group but I know that was within' the rules. Taka did do something dirty like that but it wasn't within' the rules and I from experience know such a dirty trick is well planned. So Taka did a team attack with the intention of getting as far away from the peloton in 1 km.

That's how I look at it and is my opinion on it

[cataracs]

Yes I know I was doing a team attack at that point. I was playing from the work computer (that has the clock wrong ingame for some reason) and was multi tasking so realized I couldn't sectrick out before the attack. So I just clicked attack with all 3 riders and went back to what I was doing.

I don't think it's hard to do the tempo stop right before the change, and don't fail to do it usually, that was my excuse...maybe not valid as Donkey said so I'm sorry for that.

In the end I didn't really benefit much from it, my chances of winning would have been higher without the attack.

[team fl]

FPC is reviewing the case.

[team fl]

FPC decision: Illegal team attack (rule 1), with a impact on the race. Hence there will be a penalty of 150k for violating rule 1. Furthermore, the price money will be retracted (59'940).