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Km: 139, Steigung: -1
Pierere Gautherater (Radioactive) attackiert
Tomiii Pidcocker (Radioactive) attackiert
Jaspers Philipper (Radioactive) attackiert
Tom Morlier (Vives le velos) geht mit
Paeul Lapeiros (Radioactive) attackiert
Joshi Tarlinger (Radioactive) attackiert
Schappy(22:21): but Hamlaoui dont want to win, second attack not necessary, this sahala had to fight to go with him in the attack and of course after the attack too, so he will be faster without this early second attack
Hansa(22:19): That is what i expect too
Schappy(22:18): brule will win almost 2 minutes in the last tt against Max and 3:40 against Moussa, so it looks god for Tyson. MAx will win 1:40 to moussa, today he got 23 seconds so it looks for now like Brule, Villiger, Hamlaoui
Hansa(22:18): Stage 4 could have some surprises if there is an early sieb, but i dont expect to get 2 minutes on this tour some where
RACPTeam(22:09): Is not expected brule or max to lose more time than this
RACPTeam(22:09): This was the hardest moutain of the tour no?
Schappy(22:04): https://youtu.be/SafGHrRrTpw
Schappy(22:04): my today recap:
Schappy(22:04): Hmm, now it looks much more for Moussa then i thought
Hansa(21:41): Max not even in yellow
Hansa(21:41): i forgot to let max follow in sprint
Hansa(21:40): but ok 2nd week vuelta form could be fine for the end of portugal too for max
Schappy(21:39): and early august form means good late august form too
Black-Star(21:39): that's the thing the real climbers might chose to have bad form there
Hansa(21:39): ok answer is no then
stevens(21:39): it's not as usual
stevens(21:39): you've got 2 weeks in August
Hansa(21:39): need to check vuelta profile if Max can risk no form for the August part of vuelta xD
Hansa(21:38): tyson form for stage 10 could shift the whole tour tbh
Hansa(21:37): ah youre on the other saturday
stevens(21:37): with 95+ form
stevens(21:37): while I'm fighting
Hansa(21:37): and Tyson can set his form for this tour
stevens(21:37): small question hansa how I am drop on the 1st km?
OLcycle(21:37): don't forget Tyson usually gets super unlucky in ITT ! once lost an ITT against a 78tt rider
OLcycle(21:37): saturday stage in covilha. with steep % far from the finish line
Hansa(21:36): if tyson loses these 47 seconds on both other mountain finishes he still win the GC
Black-Star(21:36): prolly but that means something between 92 and 95 now
Schappy(21:35): Tyson will not lose enoigh to lose the gc
Hansa(21:35): hamloui should have tdf form
Black-Star(21:35): yeah he has form thats not good
Hansa(21:35): on friday maximum is 7% dont see tyson lose much there tbh
Hansa(21:34): saturday is ITT
waerl(21:34): max strong
Hansa(21:34): the other mountain are completely different so
Dreizehn(21:34): Looks like he wasn’t without form settings on the market
OLcycle(21:34): Tyson will loose a lot on Saturday probably
OLcycle(21:34): ok, as I feared, climbers pulling Max on steep % while Tyson get dropped. I only see Tyson as the outsider for gk now
Dreizehn(21:34): Gw
Hansa(21:33): still nearly 2 minutes missing vs brule
Dreizehn(21:33): 2 Hamlaoui attacks and still that strong
Black-Star(21:33): gw
Hansa(21:33): gw waerl
Hansa(21:33): didnt thought max would survive the 2nd 11/
OLcycle(21:32): 27sec in 2kms :O
OLcycle(21:31): and no one to pull him here, while Evelt does a terrific job
Black-Star(21:31): :/
OLcycle(21:30): after a triple hard fight, that's payback for Tyson here
RACPTeam(21:29): maybe they stopped doing tempo?
RACPTeam(21:29): yeahhh that was weird ahah
stevens(21:29): 100%
stevens(21:29): I took a bug
Hansa(21:28): but that he still is there is crazy
Hansa(21:28): i checked the ITT times didnt expect him to have form here
OLcycle(21:27): Brule won Sibiu, all I can say
Hansa(21:27): Brule with form here?
RACPTeam(21:27): actually youtube is very good translating from german if you add subtitles on the videos
OLcycle(21:26): do you plan to do it in english ? or german ? maybe you can ask for help for translation and then have subtitles in many languages ?
Hansa(21:26): weakling erwal
Hansa(21:26): i thought about live streaming some month back but i see a lot of problem in streaming live
Hansa(21:25): great great
Schappy(21:25): yeah we planned this, i will write a scriped for this next week
Hansa(21:25): did schappy post the link to his favo check from yesterday here already?
OLcycle(21:25): @schappy : as you do yt videos : do you plan to do tutorial videos in the future ? that could be a very helpful tool for new players ?
Black-Star(21:24): 3Mio that's good not even I got that much
Schappy(21:24): i got 3 million for my team for this at the Tour
Schappy(21:23): i do only my job
Hansa(21:22): big thanks for Schappy! for that
Radioactive(21:22): yes i will learn with the time and i am thankful for the chat
Hansa(21:22): do you guys know btw that we got some advertisement on youtube? radioactive actually is from a discord form slevin who did advertisement for our game
Nash Team(21:21): 18 sorry, rfm run away
Nash Team(21:20): there are 19 teams here, for example, only one can win. this game requires patience
OLcycle(21:20): @radioactive : also this field has plenty of teams who can help you during 10days in that chat to understand the game and answer your questions if you have some
RACPTeam(21:19): @radioactive at the start this game is not easy, so dont quit it if you are having less good results, with time you will understand better what you can or not do and if its worth it
Hansa(21:19): @stevens pave skill looks wrong for some retired riders
stevens(21:18): 35 pave he won't win a race in 2024 ahha
RACPTeam(21:18): Just question things you are not sure about, there are some people that will complain and cry but just ask a lot of people will help you
Radioactive(21:18): ok i understand
Black-Star(21:18): yeah 35 pave seems wrong, but nice guy nevertheless
stevens(21:18): it's not possible 35 pave
RACPTeam(21:17): @radioactive there is a rule you cant attack with more than 2 riders. Also you are too behind not sure that is worth doing. At the start you were making tempo with a lot of riders with 1 is ok but you also have to think what will you gain from it
Schappy(21:17): and first, read the fairplay rules Radioactive
Hansa(21:17): and please reas the fairplay rules on the inscription page on top
stevens(21:17): 35 pave ?
Nash Team(21:17): if you need something, just ask
Radioactive(21:16): read
Radioactive(21:16): i resd
Black-Star(21:16): Ok Tom is not fit tomorrow he just followed again
Hansa(21:16): 87 mountain 77 tt for retirement xD
Hansa(21:16): 1 IL Asrael Mor free (Div 1-5) 34 87 50 71 77 49 35 58
RACPTeam(21:15): @radioactive, lets us know if its worth teach you, if you are reading
Canooldale(21:15): Radioactive nice 1 kkkk
Schappy(21:15): nice team attack
Nash Team(21:14): its his name Tadej Pogačar ?
Hansa(21:14): 01. 00:00:00 Asrael Mor (RS Coesitz) it was this guy
Hansa(21:14): but i was wrong it was 2022 and not rc cost
stevens(21:14): I remember the guy Hansa is talking about, he won the 3 GT
OLcycle(21:14): unsure it would be that pricy, TT is really pricy, if only 75TT should be that expansive
Nash Team(21:13): thats almost half of the cap for salary
Nash Team(21:13): oh shot
Nash Team(21:13): how much did he cost?
Hansa(21:13): i think his rider was 170K+ salary
Hansa(21:12): cost didnt have had 35 reg so
RACPTeam(21:12): there is a rider like that in the market rn
Hansa(21:12): dh doesnt cost much but reg yes
Hansa(21:11): he was 86 mountain with 75 tt or something around that
OLcycle(21:11): TT is super pricy
Hansa(21:11): any of you remembers the RC Cost climber last year?
OLcycle(21:11): and he does not even have DH or reg !
Hansa(21:11): thats 16K more then max
Hansa(21:11): 133K for brule is crazy
Hansa(21:11): tdf witht he pave stage brule could have been a win candidate too
OLcycle(21:11): in spring time, even when I was winning GK with Brule, barely making money. loosing money everytime I get a p2 or less. cause with such kind of rider, you usually don't perform in stage results (unlike pure climbers) except the ITT
Nash Team(21:11): didnt decide what 5 classic he should bring? ^^
Hansa(21:10): 7/8 registered
Nash Team(21:10): *where
Dreizehn(21:10): Guess in Giro he could have been a solid win candidate
Nash Team(21:10): ~btw, were is rfm? he was registered last time i saw
stevens(21:10): it's a financial drain
Hansa(21:09): or these rfm classics
OLcycle(21:09): yep, Brule with a rider like Franz is perfect
Nash Team(21:09): on TT at least, +1 on mountain, couple less on flat
Hansa(21:08): brule with franz as support would have been perfect i guess
Nash Team(21:08): Brule is way stronger
OLcycle(21:08): p9 is not an option for Brule at his cost :p
Hansa(21:08): and got p9
Nash Team(21:07): Poke had a weaker version of Brule in Tour
OLcycle(21:07): but Tyson is super expansive; really not advantageous against climber teams in general
OLcycle(21:07): I'd also have needed to buy a support climber for Tyson
Hansa(21:07): and for tomorrow i will send a sitter too
OLcycle(21:06): once a week is ok. even twice if the stage is not so important. but I'd have needed much more on Giro/TDF.
Hansa(21:06): 19h
Hansa(21:06): for 19 tours i need a sitter once a week but mostly works out
Dreizehn(21:06): Would have been interesting to see him there
OLcycle(21:05): yep, but I don't want to have a sitter one stage out of 2/3^^ it's too muche
Hansa(21:05): <ol will just bring rfm as sitter
Hansa(21:05): we need the vuelta espana roadbook
Schappy(21:05): sitter are easy to get OL for nice guys
Hansa(21:05): sorry
Hansa(21:05): i was confused
Nash Team(21:04): isnt it too late now? ^^
OLcycle(21:04): I can't ride at a regular time for many days in a row. this tour is kinda exception, even if I might need a sitter once or twice. I usually have to adapt my riding times on a daily basis. even if I love riding tours, it's difficult
Schappy(21:04): better the 2025 roadbook
Hansa(21:04): can you get us the 2024 roadbook? otherwise we have a problem designing
RACPTeam(21:04): Typical french farmer, just look at PSG
Nash Team(21:03): but i did made part of the volta organization for 2/3 years, putting barriers and making sure everything's alright, so ye i know something ^^
RACPTeam(21:03): He prefers to farm the weak in smaller tours((
Dreizehn(21:03): OL why didn’t we see Brule in Giro or Tour?
OLcycle(21:03): haha
RACPTeam(21:03): Lotto you didnt set up for TT yesterday right?
Hansa(21:02):
Hansa(21:02): stages even on the wrong days
Hansa(21:02): nothing accurate here
Nash Team(21:02): stage 8/9/10 the ones i know best cause they are close from home
OLcycle(21:01): @Nash Team, I had only maps to design it, not many details about the roads; I hope it will be accurate enough as you seem to know the roads very well
RACPTeam(21:00): and the channel starts
Schappy(21:00): so everybody need to take care about the money
RACPTeam(21:00): hansa you just have to click where it says RTP1
Schappy(21:00): it should be normal such a big group
Nash Team(21:00): stage 4 and stage 10 are beatiful to watch, i recommend
Black-Star(21:00): wanted to bring a 2nd climber too but not enough stages for climbers and really big field, so not worth it
Hansa(20:59): i just dont know where to click for the stream
Nash Team(20:59): i get it, didnt saw the group was this big or i would be more careful on salary
RACPTeam(20:59): Its a site from the state of Portugal so dont worry you wont get scamed or hacked
Dreizehn(20:59): It’s just a cat2 tour. Too expensive to bring 2 mountain riders
Hansa(20:58): because i understand nothing
Hansa(20:58): i am not able to navigate on that site
Nash Team(20:58): stage 8 starts right in front of my house, i'll be on tv ^^
RACPTeam(20:57): ez pz
RACPTeam(20:57): vpn in portugal and rtp.pt
Dreizehn(20:57): Can’t see it in germany
Nash Team(20:57): Yes, Randu ^^
RACPTeam(20:57): Just saw they stopped for a train to pass, surprised there was a train moving in Portugal
Dreizehn(20:56): What do you mean Nash? A second climber?
Hansa(20:56): no
Nash Team(20:56): do you guys watch volta a portugal or its not in your list?
Hansa(20:55): i guess he wants to use his +4 flat advantage vs moussa
Nash Team(20:55): no helper for Mcphee here? ^^
Black-Star(20:55): at least he is doing tempo now
Hansa(20:54): the one who rides
Schappy(20:54): 14
Nash Team(20:54): 13 siebed
Black-Star(20:54): btw who siebed?
Black-Star(20:54): same Hansa but maybe he is still fine
Nash Team(20:54): nice to see such a big group, hope y'all have fun in Portugal
Nash Team(20:53): hello everyone
Hansa(20:53): dont really see an MS anyways
Schappy(20:53): but a mass-sprint is not the most possible situation tomorrow
Hansa(20:52): after autotempo today its over for him anyways
Black-Star(20:52): so he should be somewhat fine
Black-Star(20:52): yeah maybe you are right about that, but if tmorrow is a slow race too he will gain some energy back there
Schappy(20:50): for a 85 flat guy not
Black-Star(20:49): but tempo was not high
Schappy(20:49): 54 flat against 85 flat there should be a big different after these kms
Black-Star(20:49): true
Hansa(20:49): he has 30 flat less than your rider in front so he lost more power already
Black-Star(20:48): if he gets some helpers now and tomorrow
Black-Star(20:48): looking at my rider in the escape he should barely be fine
Hansa(20:48): not sure how much money waerl has but possibly bancrupt before vuelta starts?
Schappy(20:48): attack, 1 km tempo, 2 sprint, little group without helper at 28 sunny, so maybe 36reg is hard, and the hardest part will come now
Hansa(20:47): i say not fit tomorrow
Hansa(20:47): 36 reg 2 attacks 2 sprints hard mountain to come
Dreizehn(20:47): But a good possibility that moussa is not a 88 climber anymore when Vuelta starts
Black-Star(20:46): he did nothing but those 2 sprints so I guess yes
Schappy(20:46): Morlier fit for tomorrow?
OLcycle(20:44): line-up*
Black-Star(20:44): but don't know if you can call that a tactic
Black-Star(20:43): thats waerl's tactic too having the strongest climber and most expensive team
Hansa(20:43): that helps
Hansa(20:43): bring a 550K-700K team
Hansa(20:43): my tactic is the best anyways
Black-Star(20:41): what is your usual tactic having the stronger climber? should have bought Xydas then
Lotto-Soudal(20:40): Lol 65 Mountain against 81, no danger for karim
waerl(20:39): dreizehn for my usual tactic i need one rider 87 or 88 or 89 mountain skill
Black-Star(20:39): if had bought him with more flat he would have been awesome
Black-Star(20:39): yeah but thats not the problem of training
Hansa(20:38): lets be honest walter kardciab with 47 flat was not a good climber at all
OLcycle(20:38): so you can ride against riccitello !
RACPTeam(20:37): and I dont want them to win for a lot of minutes since Riccitello can be dangerous for white
Dreizehn(20:37): Ok walter 85
RACPTeam(20:37): At this rythem I think they will
OLcycle(20:36): I don't think waerl want to let them win :p
OLcycle(20:36): I don't think waerl want to let them win :p
Black-Star(20:36): I would be delighted if that was normal
Dreizehn(20:36): Both are at 86. that’s pretty good
RACPTeam(20:36): How big the gap you guys planing to let them win ?
Black-Star(20:36): 85 mountain at 25y is good
waerl(20:35): training bad for erwal and walter (both)
OLcycle(20:34): @Radioactive : your tempo with many riders is not raelly in your interest here. you are new, if you show interest here, we can explain you why
Dreizehn(20:33): and sold a 25 year old Walter?
waerl(20:33): moussa or erwal
waerl(20:32): i want vuelta espana
Dreizehn(20:31): waerl why have you bought a 33 year old Hamlaoui?
OLcycle(20:25): same as hansa actually ! happy if the group wins by a small gap so climbers don't get the bonis sec. ok to help to control, but won't help to catch
Hansa(20:25): depending on todays result that might change for the other stages
Hansa(20:24): @waerl for my GC fight it really helps if the group goes through, so i dont really plan on riding much today
Schappy(20:24): waerl, you have a really big salary, you need stage wins and a good gc placement, and there are bonusseconds
OLcycle(20:23): I'll join there and there waerl, but I won't work the whole stage, so your decision if not riding alone sometimes when no one else helps
waerl(20:23): hansa join a little
OLcycle(20:23): the other saturday :p
waerl(20:21): alone i stop
Hansa(20:20): on friday on +6 i cant even sieb you^^
Hansa(20:20): on saturday is itt
OLcycle(20:20): on saturday Max will get support of Franz, while Moussa and Tyson won't have that support to open/limit gaps. that's maybe the key mountain stage
Hansa(20:18): but yeah it depens on who will sieb where and who will have a coop vs each other^^
Hansa(20:18): so if max with +6 mountain can outclimb 15 tt its very likely that moussa with +5 mountain can outlimb 12 tt espacially with bonis
Hansa(20:17): Moussa is closer to Max then Max to Tyson
OLcycle(20:17): ok. i get it, hard to predict how the big climbers will sieb/pull you/me or not
Hansa(20:16): not today after today i might reconsider controlling with you
Hansa(20:16): for me them going through is fine too so i dont care that much, but i hope we get a 3 way GC fight during the tour
OLcycle(20:16): you could actually do it with me, as cofavo :p
Hansa(20:15): like this you have to keep them close enough for waerl to go for stage
OLcycle(20:14): indeed
Hansa(20:14): if the 2 60 climbers are not there you can let them have 20
OLcycle(20:14): only riccitello looks truly dangerous in front, and not that much if he stays in front by a few mins
Schappy(20:11): after the sprint, the coop will not be good infront perhaps
Schappy(20:09): didnt waerl so
Hansa(20:09): that group at least is pretty dangerous for GC so it forcec you to contorl^^
OLcycle(20:08): I'm totally fine with that group winning in front, only controlling a bit now in case the climber teams want to take turns soon for their stage win
OLcycle(20:08): Hi !
Dreizehn(20:08): Hi all
stevens(20:00): Hi
Radioactive(20:00): hello
pontepiscopiens(20:00): hi
waerl(19:55): Hi all
Lotto-Soudal(19:54): Hello
Allrad(19:54): Hi
FCPorto1988(19:50):
Hansa(19:38): moin
Black-Star(19:38): Moin
Schappy(19:04): good 13
Hansa(14:18): bad bad 13
Dreizehn(14:17): Reality hits hard, it doesn’t need any protection
RACPTeam(13:21): If those realism protectors hear you they will be very mad
Dreizehn(12:55): I noticed, but liked it this way. So I shut up and hoped everybody else would do so too
ELITEdesporto(12:09): Hi, Uns aninhos depois, também vim matar o bichinho!!
RACPTeam(10:30): OL knows brule doesnt need rest day so he ignored it
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