No Name Team - team attack (rule 1) - Tolmezzo 22h

[ATB - Racing]

Normal team attack (rule 1) carried out by No Name Team at todays one day race. He attacked with 3 riders at km 86.
Result wouldnt change much, BUT his reaction / statement is a bit "funny".

Km: 86, Steigung: 3
Roberto Fonseca (No Name Team) attackiert
Vasco Marques (No Name Team) attackiert
Remco Evenepool (Intermarche Wanty Belgium) geht mit
Florentino Duarte (No Name Team) attackiert
Gerhard Gundermann (ATB - Racing) geht mit
Paul Haghedooren (Motor Trachenberge) lässt sich zurueckfallen

they finished:

37 Gerhard Gundermann
38 Roberto Fonseca
39 Florentino Duarte
40 Vasco Marques

P40 would have taken by 41 Cuauhtemoc DelToroNC_MX

i told him several times that he made a teamattack
first he didnt react, than he told me to be silent, noone else noticed it and finally he said that he had forgot it.... seriously?
whole race chat attached.

mine and his statements highlighted.

Rhodan Underdogs(23:08): i was wrong, was not montania at my wheel
Montania Crew(23:08): for which rider should i made tempo today? I`m just fine with a top10 and earning little money/points
Montania Crew(23:06): @rhodan think you should look for other reasons for not winning
Medical Service(23:06): seems so well 2nd place is more than i could dream of at the beginning
Bright(23:05): thanks CV
ATB - Racing(23:05): well they did all they can to let nnt win and let you come back
Medical Service(23:05): but well i dont complain^^
Crazy Vikings(23:05): top ten
Medical Service(23:04): im still confused that lanka could come back^^
Crazy Vikings(23:04): gn8 @all
Bright(23:04): I am very happy... looked like a p30ish earlier
Romoc Riders(23:04): *you
Romoc Riders(23:04): Bright, ypu almost saved this race
Crazy Vikings(23:04):
Bright(23:03): thanks for the help viking
Romoc Riders(23:02): Shocked
Rhodan Underdogs(23:01): guess got to sprint trickl
Romoc Riders(23:01): Medical Service, rhodan will do a sprint trick. You should think of sprinting
Rhodan Underdogs(23:01): really sucks
Rhodan Underdogs(23:01): montania at my wheel didnt work one km
Crazy Vikings(23:00): i try it
Bright(22:59): @vikings Ill hang on nordby, wont try to outsprint, just happy with a decent pos.
Rhodan Underdogs(22:58): gw
Latitanti(22:58): gw
Medical Service(22:57): gw
ATB - Racing(22:57): gw? noo never
waerl(22:57): gw nnt
ATB - Racing(22:57): really? thats your answer? i asked it several times....
No Name Team(22:57): thx
Pokemonogatari(22:56): We are following the most important races of the real calendar, and we complete it with fantasy races
Montania Crew(22:56): gw NNT
ATB - Racing(22:56): pfff
Romoc Riders(22:56): I had 2 riders in tempo while you had one. I didn't complain
No Name Team(22:56): sorry forgot
Romoc Riders(22:55): The 77 sprinter is not mine
ATB - Racing(22:55): NNT why you didnt drop a rider?
Romoc Riders(22:55): Huh?
Rhodan Underdogs(22:54): natnael was in
Rhodan Underdogs(22:54): again you didnt join romoc
r TAKA(22:53):
r TAKA(22:52): You'll see in a little bit
Crazy Vikings(22:52): i think its no possible or? but i'm not sure
ATB - Racing(22:51): Marvin feels depressed now
Latitanti(22:51): it seemed. thank you Poke
r TAKA(22:51): Everybody can follow
ATB - Racing(22:51): i dont know Latitanti, well you can have a look at the Race log
Pokemonogatari(22:51): No Latitanti
Crazy Vikings(22:51): you need mass on km 100 against harry graham^^
Rhodan Underdogs(22:50): hudson is also stronger than us romoc, or has he been working?
ATB - Racing(22:50): 10 km earlier ...
Claw - CVIII(22:50): gw gn8
ATB - Racing(22:50): for Lank?
Latitanti(22:50): is it possible to replay old races?
Medical Service(22:50): well i could try but they are almost dead
Romoc Riders(22:50): Mass? Now?
ATB - Racing(22:50): Lanka back? wow
Motor Trachenberge(22:49): gw
Pokemonogatari(22:49): Gw
Crazy Vikings(22:49): gw NNT
Pokemonogatari(22:49): Medical not even put all his guys in tempo
Romoc Riders(22:48): I wanted to attack that same km, but Galleo was late
Crazy Vikings(22:48): but looks good for terry
r TAKA(22:47): Nnt was riding alone from the peloton so his win is very deserved
ATB - Racing(22:47): drop one
ATB - Racing(22:47): rule 1!
Romoc Riders(22:47): Whatever. Not in the mood for an argument. You are right
ATB - Racing(22:47): mass would catch him i would say
No Name Team(22:47): I thought it was last 20 kms
Crazy Vikings(22:47): u all ride for Taka :S
No Name Team(22:47): shhh ATB no one saw that
Romoc Riders(22:46): I did a lot of tempo..
Romoc Riders(22:46): Blanco was weaker on dh
Rhodan Underdogs(22:46): and you got stronger sprinterr
ATB - Racing(22:46): NNT?
Rhodan Underdogs(22:46): i was riding alone
Rhodan Underdogs(22:46): why you go out then?
Romoc Riders(22:46): With this mindset, we will never win anything
Rhodan Underdogs(22:45): he was in front of natnael after the sieb
Romoc Riders(22:45): Natnael has better pave skills :p
Romoc Riders(22:45): Masoqust was left with no helper too
ATB - Racing(22:44): NNT team attack!
Rhodan Underdogs(22:44): Masoquist is stronger
Rhodan Underdogs(22:44): Natnael had no helper
Crazy Vikings(22:44): he have form 98 or more
Rhodan Underdogs(22:44): low energie and low form
Crazy Vikings(22:44): yes...graham is to strong
Romoc Riders(22:44): Only 1*
Rhodan Underdogs(22:43): cant follow
Pokemonogatari(22:43): Taka hade an easy win and decode to offer it, what a nice guy
ATB - Racing(22:43): team attack?
Rhodan Underdogs(22:43): pave
Rhodan Underdogs(22:43): Graham is too strong
Romoc Riders(22:43): Why did you stop Rhodan?
Crazy Vikings(22:43): tzzz
Crazy Vikings(22:42): next s*** etape
Romoc Riders(22:42): Gw NNT
Lenny SnakeCycling(22:42): Because the late pave is obviously the most important part of the race
ATB - Racing(22:41): you should ask the designer, i guess
Romoc Riders(22:40): Why is the mintact so late?
Bright(22:36): wow worst stage ever for me....
r TAKA(22:36): Stupid mintact
Latitanti(22:31): thany you Poke
Pokemonogatari(22:31): There was nothing to do except comeback as fast as possible
Latitanti(22:29): ah ok thank you Lenny
Pokemonogatari(22:29): You could push after in the hill after the cobbles
Latitanti(22:29): i have to study which is better tactic on cobbles
Lenny SnakeCycling(22:28): You would have needed to put your weaker climber in tempo after the pave sieb for 1 km
ATB - Racing(22:28): yeah now its to late, like Lenny said
ATB - Racing(22:28): it is, today it was weird start, that 2** made it eaven harder
Rhodan Underdogs(22:27): Roony joining P1 soon?
Lenny SnakeCycling(22:27): Now it is too late
Latitanti(22:27): yes i'm tryng it but is vvery difficult
ATB - Racing(22:26): +have
ATB - Racing(22:25): Latitanti today you could tried to minimize the gap of your climbers
Crazy Vikings(22:25): or you ride now
Crazy Vikings(22:24): motor, at km 60 its your time
Pokemonogatari(22:21): Why action late when you can have it early?
Medical Service(22:19):
ATB - Racing(22:19): and a lot of guys who loves to click some buttons
ATB - Racing(22:19): short race, huge peloton
Bright(22:18): was expecting a group and action from 66
Bright(22:18): completely misjudged today
r TAKA(22:12): But still no tempo without Romoc today.
ATB - Racing(22:12): Dogan back
r TAKA(22:11): Mehmet Dogan (r TAKA) is dropped and passed through
Rhodan Underdogs(22:11): crazy you attack to go out?
r TAKA(22:08): Shit it's raining
Pokemonogatari(22:08): Yop
ATB - Racing(22:06): rain .... i can go to bed right now
Latitanti(22:02): hello everybody sorry for join now
ATB - Racing(22:02): TAKA dont bring back the climbers
Romoc Riders(22:00): Hello
Motor Trachenberge(21:58): hi
r TAKA(21:58): missed him in the wc race
Lenny SnakeCycling(21:58): Instead i have Lenny now
Lenny SnakeCycling(21:57): No more Langridge Taka ^^
Claw - CVIII(21:56): hi
Lenny SnakeCycling(21:55): Hi
ATB - Racing(21:55): yeah would have made no sense at all, but would have been funny to see what happened
r TAKA(21:53): and it's just **
r TAKA(21:52): problem is there's a hill right after
ATB - Racing(21:51): thought about bringing Körber and just do it but decided to ride cheaper
r TAKA(21:50): Km3 sieb sounds better
Team Trojer Vellau(21:49): Hi
waerl(21:47): hello
Montania Crew(21:47): Hey
ATB - Racing(21:46): KÜBLER! sieb with him at km 2!
Medical Service(21:44): hola
r TAKA(21:43): Attacking with both classics at km2 sounds like a plan
ATB - Racing(21:39): heya, equal to the morning race.

[Let's Go]

3. Chained Attacks. Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.

Idk rules overlap so I thought rule 3 would apply, I don't pay much attention to the race + the group was 7+ min behind didn't even think it would matter.

I just said whatever in the chat bc I was not even paying attention, if you want to take away p40 money that's fine I could've just sprinter for it anyway but ye

[flockmastoR]

FPC is reviewing this case.

[flockmastoR]

3. Chained Attacks. Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.

Idk rules overlap so I thought rule 3 would apply, I don't pay much attention to the race + the group was 7+ min behind didn't even think it would matter.

I just said whatever in the chat bc I was not even paying attention, if you want to take away p40 money that's fine I could've just sprinter for it anyway but ye

Paying no attention as well as being off is no excuse when doing illegal actions. It's up to the FPC to decide what is "fine".

[Let's Go]

ye as I said I'm fine with your decision, but pls rewrite the rules, because there's a conflict between rule number 1 and 3

[Hansa]

ye as I said I'm fine with your decision, but pls rewrite the rules, because there's a conflict between rule number 1 and 3

there is no conflict between these rules. rule 1 is for attacking with 3 or more and rule 3 is for attacking+following with a combination of 3 or more riders.

[Let's Go]

ye as I said I'm fine with your decision, but pls rewrite the rules, because there's a conflict between rule number 1 and 3

there is no conflict between these rules. rule 1 is for attacking with 3 or more and rule 3 is for attacking+following with a combination of 3 or more riders.

should be stated as attacking and following instead of attacking or following in my opinion

[Hansa]

ye as I said I'm fine with your decision, but pls rewrite the rules, because there's a conflict between rule number 1 and 3

there is no conflict between these rules. rule 1 is for attacking with 3 or more and rule 3 is for attacking+following with a combination of 3 or more riders.

should be stated as attacking and following instead of attacking or following in my opinion

the attacking and following is just an explanation of the word escape.

and "attacking and following" would not be correct anyways because 3 follows still fall under this categorie.

And Rule 1 is pretty direct anyways.

1. Normal Team Attack. Attack (not following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated for the last 10 km of every race.

there it even is clarified that rule 1 is for not following only attacking

[Gipfelstuermer]

FPC Decision: Fine of 100,000.

FPC saw it as a rule 1 team attack which was not resolved during the race, although it was highlighted to the team manager during the race. However, at least the team manager was reasonable after the race.