La Vuelta a España 2022

[Gipfelstuermer]

Last year I did all the stages. This year, some help would be great, because then I can focus more on development. Volunteers wanted Best to post here, which stages you are designing. (Collaboration on TDF was great with designs from multiple designers).

Jerseys
I think implemented by Alkworld already.

Points
Last year I failed here... Well, ASO failed... Changed the points system between publishing the roadbook and start of the race... very stupid. But help in researching the RIGHT points system would be great.

Design
11 Stages in August, 10 stages in September. Best would be to finish everything until 25 July and then upload. For people to see in-game and set form. But if we finish only those 11 before end of July, would be OK of course. People can come to the forum to see the profiles.

Links that are helpful:
https://www.lavuelta.es/
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/432104

[Robyklebt]

July is done, so I'll be helping a bit here too... but not today, starting from tomorrow, I'll post here what stages I design. And of course we will finish all in July, no question. If until the 25th is the question!

And I told everybody complete bullshit during the TdF design. In stage number, ignore the rest days, just the real stage number, from 1-21. Was confused...

Tour name: Would be nice to have it as Vuelta22, easier to put it on then.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I should have time for a few stages on the weekend Saturday/Sunday, because ITT and the stage to Paris don't require much attention.

But of course help from others would be better... every hour that I don't have to spend design races, I can spend on development/coding.

[lennylenny]

I already asked Roby how the designing of real races is usually done, will try a few stages in the next few days once it hopefully gets a bit colder

would be nice if maybe the TTT is done first by someone more experienced to get the naming and stuff done so i can copy that

[Robyklebt]

Stages 1-3 in work

Low quality design by me to be expected unfortunately.

1: Completely flat team time trial 23 km, all 0. Mintact km 1.
No pavé check done, I leave that to somebody else. Counts for every stage btw, unless something is written on the Vuelta page or la flamme rouge.



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_01

2: Classified as flat (after the Donkey mistakes in classification in the TdF maybe somebody who has time needs to check, generally won't be motivated enough to look beyond what la flamme rouge and the Vuelta site on the stage page say (but how is the system? Used to be the logical one, same amount of points on every stage, changed?)
174 km, mintact 144 (29-31km on all stages Donkey-stages when I don't mention anything else)
No intermediates, maybe they add them later?



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_02

3: flat, 194 km



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_03

4: Middle mountain, 154 km, finish with an 8 according to la flamme rouge




Not much info on the Vuelta website, no climb profiles, no last km. Possibly (hopefully) that comes on later, then corrections might be needed.

Done for today, not sure I can do anything tomorrow or Friday.

But remember, the more Gipfel does, the less he can program. And the more the Donkey does, the smaller will the calendar be, since it usually becomes my job to design all other planned races. That's why few are planned this month so far.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_04

[Robyklebt]

Since I stole the 3 easiest stages ever, I do stage 4 as well now...

[lennylenny]

points seem to be TdF, see page 6 of the roadbook: https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycl ... lta-22.pdf

unsure about mountain points tho

[Gipfelstuermer]

You are right. Seems same as last year and same as TDF:

Maximum amounts of points: 50 – 30 – 20 – 18 – 16 – 14 – 12 – 10 – 8 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2

Medium amount of points: 30 – 25 – 22 – 19 – 17 – 15 – 13 – 11 – 9 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2

Minimum amount of points: 20 – 17 – 15 – 13 – 11 – 10 – 9 – 8 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2 – 1

https://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-202 ... ification/

But mountains jersey is different from TDF:

Cima Alberto Fernandez: 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC: 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st category: 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd category: 5 – 3 – 1
3rd category: 3 – 2 – 1

https://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-202 ... ification/

Will try to change on-time. Alkworld knows how to do it and will be back from holoday before start of Vuelta.

[Hansa]

Cima Alberto Fernandez: 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC: 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st category: 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd category: 5 – 3 – 1
3rd category: 3 – 2 – 1

Will this mean for RSF we will shift down these categories?

Clima Alberte -> HC : 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC -> 1st : 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st -> 2nd : 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd -> 3rd : 5 – 3 – 1
3rd -> 4th : 3 – 2 – 1

[Gipfelstuermer]

Yes, Hansa. Exactly. That's what it means.

[Robyklebt]

Grrr, so that means designers have to do cat .3 .as cat 4 etc... blah, argh, grrr, ok.

Write it big somewhere, so that Lenny sees it and I don't forget it, will correct stages 1-4 later.. well, not much to correct yet.

[lennylenny]

saw it already, tried doing Stage 5 but Flamme Rouge climb details, imported GPX and openrunner all have quite different percentages for that climb that is done twice on Stage 5

[Robyklebt]

Well, in those cases up to designer to figure out or just decide which one he thinks is the best...

2 sources that can help:

https://www.altimetrias.net/ good for spanish stuff. It's been a while since I last used it though, but probably didn't get worse
https://www.cyclingcols.com/

But I have to admit in the last time I almost never check that stuff anymore, not enough time, quantity over quality. So if it was me with stage 5 I'd just look at what you have, chose the one that seems the most sensible, best, whatever.

[lennylenny]

thx, will give stage 5 another try

[Robyklebt]

As for me, tired, I will do a double session tomorrow instead.

[lennylenny]

5: 191km, middle mountain
went with the climb data for Vivero from altimetrias (9,7,9,6,6+) shifted mountain categories one down like discussed earlier
+: last kilometer only a +6 since Vuelta doesn't ride all the way to the top and the big ramp is after the Vuelta route turns aways

[lennylenny]

6: 179 km Mountain stage

[lennylenny]

7: 194km middle mountain


8: 155km mountain


9: 176km mountain

[Robyklebt]

Hm, since Lenny doesn't announce what he's designing, I let stage 9 be for the moment and do 10-12 first.

Edit: Ah, he announced but edited, same as me, we love Lenny, platonic only, sorry, but good job. 10-12 done

Haven't changed the GPM in early stages yet, at some point intermediate should be published, so just will do it together then...

Anyway, stage 10-12 designed.

Excellent, I always chose the fast and easy stages it seems.

10: 31 km ITT, +4 and - the 2 last km, rest is all 0 or -1



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_10

11: 194 km, flat. Only 1 sieb km, 6 at km 137



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_11

12: 195 km, HC? It says flat with uphill finale on the Vuelta site. If somebody ever figures out WHERE to see which stages give what points, post the link 3 siebkm in the first 30 km, then one at 131, then the final climb.



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_12

[lennylenny]

i actually did announce half of the stages, just edited once they were done, will do stage 9 tomorrow morning

[Robyklebt]

Since I get the easy ones, I'll do 13-14 too, hoping they are easy as well.... but have to prepare horse races for tomorrow as well, so not sure I can add 15 as originally planned as well. Anyway, 13-14 are being worked on.

13: 170 km, flat, last km a 3. Could be discussed as a 2



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_13

14: 161 km, HC. Mintact at 128, there's a 6 at 129.



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_14

[Robyklebt]

Will do stage 15 too now. And 16. Not going to get much sleep anyway...

But: As far as I see there is only one HC GPM in the race. Especial. The rest is 1-2-3. So....

Cima Alberto Fernandez: 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC: 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st category: 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd category: 5 – 3 – 1
3rd category: 3 – 2 – 1

Something here doesn't add up. Unless I missed something huge somewhere, they only have 4 categories. HC to cat 3, not 5 like here. HC=Cima Alberto Fernandez as far as I can see... The question is if it will be at 20-15... or 15-10...
So for the moment I'm back at categorizing the climbs as they are in the real Vuelta. But ok, with IS coming everything will have to be corrected once more, if this becomes clearer by then, good.


And since I think Gipfel won't be needed for designing, thanks to Lenny we should be able to finish by Monday (and if it's Tuesday it's not the end of the world), I propose Gipfel not only looks for pavé everywhere, but also checks our great designs for obvious mistakes like missing GPMs and GPMs in valleys and other stuff RKL sometimes does....

[Robyklebt]

15: 148 km, HC, mintact at 100. Starts with a 6, an 8 and a 6 later in the first 30 km, then nothing until Granada.



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_15

16: 191 km, flat. Maybe in reality, at c4f a 8 in that last hill will eliminate the sprinters of course. Checked with plotaroute . 78 meters up in 1 km for me, so 8



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... uelta22_16

[Hansa]

Will do stage 15 too now. And 16. Not going to get much sleep anyway...

But: As far as I see there is only one HC GPM in the race. Especial. The rest is 1-2-3. So....

Cima Alberto Fernandez: 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC: 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st category: 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd category: 5 – 3 – 1
3rd category: 3 – 2 – 1

Something here doesn't add up. Unless I missed something huge somewhere, they only have 4 categories. HC to cat 3, not 5 like here. HC=Cima Alberto Fernandez as far as I can see... The question is if it will be at 20-15... or 15-10...
So for the moment I'm back at categorizing the climbs as they are in the real Vuelta. But ok, with IS coming everything will have to be corrected once more, if this becomes clearer by then, good.

The organisation of the Vuelta designates which climbs are given points, and in which category they fall. As of 2010, there are 5 categories: most points are scored on the Top Alberto Fernandez, the highest point of the Vuelta

Thats what i found but seems like this year the only HC GPM is also the Top of the tour, last year it was different there were multiple HC GPMS and the Top of the tour was somewhere else.

[lennylenny]

Stage 9 done, with mountain points still adjusted since Hansa gave a good argument for it (and we had that same adjusted mountain points last year)
will do Stage 17 next