The Gaurain-Robyklebt analysis said *. And the picture really doesn't make me change my mind... it looks like easy pavé...Team ABC-Polsat wrote:question because of "rond om nekere". Last year it was 2* Pavé, this year only 1*. i saw in google street view the finish line and i think it looks a bit harder then 1*, no? Well maybe i have no idea but thats why i´m asking
Short history of the north classiques: No clue what happened before 09.. lesossies? Or LCB? Bella? Don't remember
Then in 09 iBan designed them.
10: Aywaille designed, building on iBans work
11: Robyklebt, building on iBans and Aywailles work
That was mostly about the %. which is a mess actually, how do you rate a 400 long hill at 12,5%..? Nobody really knows, But basically what we 3 did was check all the sites, the RVV site with all the Hellingen that were ever in RVV http://www.crvv.be/nl/toerisme/hellingen-en-kasseien, the dutch wikipedia, http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie: ... elgi%C3%AB, to get exact numbers, then..
try to make sense out of it... This year since I ended up designing it again, next project... pavé. We hadn't really bothered much about that until then, just took wild guesses or followed the RVV site. This year mostly ignored the % (although I'm sure by reanalyizing all of them again, some would have changed again) but next project was pavé. How hard is it: In 09 iBan said no street view, couldn't do better, don't know about Aywaille in 10, but think I didn't check with street view in 11, probably was already there, but... had enough to do finding the roads and thinking about the climbs. So this year it was pavés turns. Why not simply follow the RVV classification? Because looking at it, and looking at street view, it seemed.. strange, to tough. Compare with a few Paris Roubaix pavé, and what counts as 4 on the RVV site seemed nowhere near close to what is classified as 4 for PR. So with Gaurain this year we looked at the pavé, and decided how hard they seemed according to us:
Here first all the hellingen:
Achterberg 6
Berendries 7
Berg ten Stene 6
Boigneberg 5
Bosberg 206
Casselberg(Route de Dunkerque) 2 5 2
Casselberg(Rue d'Aire) 9
Edelare 6 2
Eikenberg 6**
Eikenmolen 6
Guilleminlaan 3 3 1
Holstraat 5
Hotond 4
Kanarieberg 8
Kapelberg 5
Kaperij (Bosgat 6
Katteberg 6*
Kemmelberg 9****
Kluisberg 7
Knokteberg/Cote de Trieu 8
Koppenberg 409
Kortekeer 6
Kruisberg(kruisstraat) center 3 6
Kruisberg(kruisstraat) from east 2 6
Kruisberg/Oudestraat 6**
La Houppe/Hoppeberg 1 6 4
Leberg 6
Molenberg 7**
Mont des Cats 3 6 -3 6
Monteberg (until Klokhofweg 6
Muur von G. 9****
Nieuwe Kwaremont 5 4
Nokereberg 4*
Oude Kwaremont 6*** 3***
Paterberg 6**
Rekelberg 5
Rekelberg nord 5
Rodeberg Ost Rodebergstraat 5
Stationsberg 3*** 3
Steenbekkendries (not full climb, dvv) 203
Stekkendries/Mariaborrestaat 404
Stuivenberg 4
Taaienberg 6***
Ten Bosse 6
Tiegemberg 5
Valkenberg 6
Vidaigneberg(Bellestraat) 3 5
Wolvenberg 8
The ones in the old 409 format, like Koppenberg haven't been updated yet. And btw, I hate the shit in Gent Wevelgem most, don't even talk about that one. I'll just say yes you're right, whatever you want and throw some books at you. Baneberg, Vidaigneberg, unbelievable idiocies. Announce it now, not designing Gent Wevelgem next year, just pisses me off too much that one. The rest... mmh, could use a new designer too, but if everybody starts hiding under their desks again ok ok ok, if I have the time, maybe...
Pavé:
Donderj **
Etikoveplein *
Haaghoek ***
Holleweg **
Huiseplein *
Huisepontweg */**
Kasteldreef *
Lange Munte */**/**
Lipphoven **
Paddestraat **
Steenakker *
Varent **
Varent (E3 after Berg Steene) **
Again, what we did was look at street view and decide. Robyklebt and Gaurain. Is it perfect? No.. what we should do, have done, is look at everything at once, look at all pavé sectors a first time. Then look at them once more, then maybe a third time, then decide. What we did was first the ones for Het Volk, then what came in other races, one after another. Missing only RVV now, Koppenberg, not sure anything else, and Scheldeprijs... Maybe if we would have looked at them all at once, we'd have some different results. And again, we tried to make it consistent with PR pavé, which finally are just harder. Haaghoek, Donderj and Holleweg are **** according to RVV, if they were in PR, they never would be that high. Would they be **? ***? Don't know... we looked at the pavé and decided... sometimes had some differences of course, one saying * the other *** even happened once I think... relook, recheck then usually we were close enough.
So, of course it's not perfect, but IMO it already is more consistent with PR we think.
Why this long post? Because I'm happy finally somebody shows interest, the more opinions and analyzers the better. So, go for it! Analyze!!! If you have the time... And then send me the result by PN probably better.. since I will re review it after the pavé season for 12, (and will ask Gaurain to do the same) I'll open the PN after my own review, for less influence. So if you do it, don't check if they fit with the Gaurain ape analysis, try to forget our stars and do an independent analysis. If you have time of course and are interested.
Changes this year: For pavé stretches that have already been ridden in Het Volk or KBK: I prefer not... simply for consistency. (hope I was consistent, errors could have happened) Of course if lesossies then decides to change them anyway, ok, he can do that. Pavé stretches that haven't been ridden yet, yep, post those here, I'll double check, ask Gaurain to double check, reevaluate, feedback with you.. and we'll decide. Ah, the Hellingen, and % of course could all change too... Paterberg again 400 meters 12.5%, has been 6 for us for 3 years I think... is that good. I don't know... others are longer but less steep and 6 too.. others have less altitude difference and are 6 too.. maybe Paterberg better at 7? Don't really know.. maybe yes... right now would put it at 7 actually, but was 6 forever, so ok.. Point is, % are not perfect either. But again, basically I'm against changes for Hellingen that have been ridden in 12 already.
Nokereberg: There I stand for *, to me it's *. (And to Gaurain too) Again, if there's popular outrage and leso decides that ** seems better for world peace or because it looks like ** to him too (but check more than just Nokereberg in that case leso, need other *, **, *** and a few PR sectors to compare), he can change it, I won't... but he's the boss after all.
7**
i´m interested but i really cant decide between 2* or 3* or 4* 
but ok it´s really too less time to change.
