Giro d'Italia 2026

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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Mon May 04, 2026 10:12 am

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Mon May 04, 2026 9:42 am
we still have no roadbook so for now we are sticking with last years classifications:
stage 7 final climb set to 1B instead of 1
stage 9 final climb set to 1B instead of 1
stage 14 final climb set to 1B instead of 1
stage 16 final climb set to 1B instead of 1
stage 20 final climb set to 1B instead of 1

Since that includes stages from all 4 designers, we are waiting until everyone has been able to change their stages. Should be done by this afternoon. @Gip, if you have time at any point this afternoon, double check stages 14 and 16. Once the 1B classifications are added there, we are ready to publish.
Should be done now and ready to publish!

With the asterisk being Hansa's message + the roadbook.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon May 04, 2026 10:24 am

Falcor CC wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 10:12 am
Should be done now and ready to publish!

With the asterisk being Hansa's message + the roadbook.

Good. I changed it from 1B to HCC though ;) The B stands for Bonifications, while the HCC is an additional KOM category, which has different KOM points without changing the standard bonifications.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Mon May 04, 2026 10:28 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 10:24 am
Falcor CC wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 10:12 am
Should be done now and ready to publish!

With the asterisk being Hansa's message + the roadbook.

Good. I changed it from 1B to HCC though ;) The B stands for Bonifications, while the HCC is an additional KOM category, which has different KOM points without changing the standard bonifications.
Grr, so Hansa lied to me!
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Hansa » Mon May 04, 2026 12:47 pm

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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by team fl » Mon May 04, 2026 1:13 pm

Thanks a lot for the nice work. Also regarding min tact, I almost completely agree but for stage 16: the stage is only 113 km short. Hence the min tact could be a bit longer in my view, at km 88 or 92. But also not a "leg fracture" if not ;)
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Robyklebt » Mon May 04, 2026 1:33 pm

I probably disagree with the mintact on most stages, but didn't bother checking, too often here the brain is not used to make the mintact, so fuck it. I'll happily complain during the race though.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Nomorelulz » Mon May 04, 2026 1:39 pm

team fl wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 1:13 pm
Thanks a lot for the nice work. Also regarding min tact, I almost completely agree but for stage 16: the stage is only 113 km short. Hence the min tact could be a bit longer in my view, at km 88 or 92. But also not a "leg fracture" if not ;)
I had a look at it and yeah you are right why not make it earlier, even though imo its only rly relevant later on, was thinking about 94 or km1 for Donkey but I changed it to 92 now. I think thats good :) Thank FL!

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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by team fl » Mon May 04, 2026 2:05 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 1:33 pm
I probably disagree with the mintact on most stages, but didn't bother checking, too often here the brain is not used to make the mintact, so fuck it. I'll happily complain during the race though.
And I'll be there to offer soothing and calming music for you not to rage quit the Giro :)
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Mon May 04, 2026 2:07 pm

team fl wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 2:05 pm
Robyklebt wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 1:33 pm
I probably disagree with the mintact on most stages, but didn't bother checking, too often here the brain is not used to make the mintact, so fuck it. I'll happily complain during the race though.
And I'll be there to offer soothing and calming music for you not to rage quit the Giro :)
I'll be there to kick some Donkey ass in order to achieve the opposite!
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Robyklebt » Mon May 04, 2026 2:14 pm

Checking now, and already raging. Can somebody explain to me what the point of 10 km mintact is? No, nobody can. Because there is no sense at all in it. It's blind, stupid, idiotic, there is ZERO thinking behind it. But ok, humor me, try to explain why it makes sense. You won't be able to.

Also 40 km for the TT? Why? Explain that? Why not 10 km there? Give us 15" mintact for the TT for all I care.

Mintact is generally horrible.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by team fl » Mon May 04, 2026 2:18 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 2:14 pm
Checking now, and already raging. Can somebody explain to me what the point of 10 km mintact is? No, nobody can. Because there is no sense at all in it. It's blind, stupid, idiotic, there is ZERO thinking behind it. But ok, humor me, try to explain why it makes sense. You won't be able to.

Also 40 km for the TT? Why? Explain that? Why not 10 km there? Give us 15" mintact for the TT for all I care.

Mintact is generally horrible.
No no no. Way to general, this Robyklebt critique. We need at least a 3'000 word post with a detailed list when the min tact has to be set exactly for every stage and why. Everything else is like a 10 km min tact...
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Mon May 04, 2026 2:23 pm

team fl wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 2:18 pm
Robyklebt wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 2:14 pm
Checking now, and already raging. Can somebody explain to me what the point of 10 km mintact is? No, nobody can. Because there is no sense at all in it. It's blind, stupid, idiotic, there is ZERO thinking behind it. But ok, humor me, try to explain why it makes sense. You won't be able to.

Also 40 km for the TT? Why? Explain that? Why not 10 km there? Give us 15" mintact for the TT for all I care.

Mintact is generally horrible.
No no no. Way to general, this Robyklebt critique. We need at least a 3'000 word post with a detailed list when the min tact has to be set exactly for every stage and why. Everything else is like a 10 km min tact...
On behalf of the designers I agree with this.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Robyklebt » Mon May 04, 2026 3:45 pm

No, designers need to know why they actually put the mintact where they put it.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Tukhtahuaev » Mon May 04, 2026 3:46 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 2:14 pm
Checking now, and already raging. Can somebody explain to me what the point of 10 km mintact is? No, nobody can. Because there is no sense at all in it. It's blind, stupid, idiotic, there is ZERO thinking behind it. But ok, humor me, try to explain why it makes sense. You won't be able to.
At least one thing I can agree with

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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon May 04, 2026 4:32 pm

I'll give designers 1,440 mintacts to finalize their mintacts.

Having said that, every mintact length is allowed. If I wanted a 30km minimum, I could have coded that myself.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Robyklebt » Mon May 04, 2026 5:12 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 4:32 pm
If I wanted a 30km minimum, I could have coded that myself.
Meaning, if you wanted something, that would be the way it then would be? Sounds slightly dictatorial, which is funny coming from a guy who once (non-)answered a simple question with "I'm not a dictator" (which as answer made zero sense, as you could maybe discern from the "non-" in parenthesis before answer)

Also nobody is actually demanding a 30km mintact here, so not sure what you're now trying to say.
Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 4:32 pm
Having said that, every mintact length is allowed
Well, designer decides the mintact on his own in fantasy races. In real races changes can be made, if I were now to design the Tour and put 122 km mintacts on all stages and many people disagreed, I think it would be sensible to change that 122 km mintact, despite it being allowed. Incidentally except for FL on some stage nobody has put forward a correction for any stage either. Nobody else, I haven't made any proposals for changes either, just trying to get people to think for their next design.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Mon May 04, 2026 5:20 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 4:32 pm
I'll give designers 1,440 mintacts to finalize their mintacts.

Having said that, every mintact length is allowed. If I wanted a 30km minimum, I could have coded that myself.
We are all done now and eagerly waiting until we're able to inscribe :p
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2026

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon May 04, 2026 5:32 pm

Falcor CC wrote:
Mon May 04, 2026 5:20 pm
We are all done now and eagerly waiting until we're able to inscribe :p
OK perfect, that shortens the process :)
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