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End of August and a great Andes design needs time, so it's time to search for a designer.

Schnuggeritos did it last year. Would you like to do it again, with the knowledge you gained last year? Or does someone else want to take the opportunity?

If there is a volunteer: go for it! I was told by the few surviving legends of last edition that Schnuggeritos edition was way to hard.

If there is/are no volunteer(s) I can do a less deadly version

So what is the target with Andes? We could go in the direction of a mountain-focused tour where classics or even sprinters get a couple of stages. In this case, we just keep the crazily long mountain stages to reflect the spirit of the race. The other option is to keep it as hard as last year, maybe do a bit fewer dirt roads, ignore the low participation, and keep it the strange spectacle for the teams interested in it.

I'd like to, if nobody else really wants to design.

But there were some discussion if I remember about participations or something like that?

I would create another andes once again too, but i also would like to see takas approach, i would also change my approach from the last times i designed and would go a bit easier on the profiles sinilar to what radunion proposed.

But totally happy if i keep my design ideas for antoher year somewhen in the future and let taka do the design.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:39 pm

I would create another andes once again too, but i also would like to see takas approach, i would also change my approach from the last times i designed and would go a bit easier on the profiles sinilar to what radunion proposed.

But totally happy if i keep my design ideas for antoher year somewhen in the future and let taka do the design.

No you can go ahead and do it

Of course the Donkey has his Andes ready since 10 years ago or so, all I need to do is put the stuff in. But doesn't feel motivated to that this year either, so pass again!

As far as I know Andes was always supposed to be a extreme tour mostly for mountain riders. Dirt roads are fine, but I think we need much less of those more difficult road surfaces

So many posts, cool. I summarize:

- Schnugg
- Taka
- Hansa

But Hansa is the most motivated and Schnugg & Taka are happy with Hansa designing it ?

Ok i am on it hope everyone will be happy with the design

Andes Andes Andes!

1 TTT
1 Mountain ITT
4 Flat Stages
5 Hilly Stages
5 HC Stages

harder, crazier, more brutal?

NO! The riders complaint is heard, the calender is to full to hard and its to hot!

But Andes are the Andes so dont think it will be easy!

2726 km (shorter than last 3 years)
52650 HM (around 20% less than last 3 years)
Some Gravel parts (but less than the last 3 years)
Rare Pave parts

This year only in Peru and Bolivia (less flying and less transfers than the last 3 years)
Check the map in Detail here: https://umap.openstreetmap.de/de/map/ca ... 2024_67409

Key highlights:

Stage 1 TTT with Pave in Cusco
Stage 7 over 100km continues climbing up Paso Ticlio
Stage 8 another Very long climb, to reach the top of the tour the Minasniyuq at nearly 5000m
Stage 9 256km with 6050 HM and still a possibility to beat the climbers
Stage 12 ITT on the Camino de la muerte
Stage 13 Climbing La Cumbre on the way to La Paz
Stage 15 ending the Tour with the hardest finishing Climb of the Tour near Muylaque

I used these categorization Guidelines again,

How I defined KOM and IS
Mountains:
HC-Cat.: 2000hm >=Ø6% OR 2500hm
1-Cat.: 1500hm >=Ø6% OR 2000hm
2-Cat.: 1000hm >=Ø6% OR 1500hm
3-Cat.: 500hm >=Ø6% OR 1000hm
4-Cat.: 250hm >=Ø6% OR 500hm

Sprints:
3 IS on Flat stages
2 IS on Hilly stages
1 IS on HC stages

Stage 1:
TTT
Starting on Cuzco pave (the climbers will hate it)
45 km
min tact: km 1



Stage 2:

231km
min tact: km 210


Stage 3:

215km
min tact: km 180


Stage 4:

217km
min tact: km 200


Stage 5:

206km
min tact: km 190


Stage 6:

182km
min tact: km 170


Stage 7:

188km
min tact: km 174


_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
REST DAY
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Stage 8:

171km
min tact: km 158


Stage 9:

256km
min tact: km 208


Stage 10:

179km
min tact: km 170


Stage 11:

226km
min tact: km 200


Stage 12:
ITT
33km
min tact: km 1



Stage 13:

152km
min tact: km 136


Stage 14:

189km
min tact: km 180


Stage 15:

236km
min tact: km 200

can you link the detailed profiles for the stages? for the lazy ones

team fl wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:54 pm

can you link the detailed profiles for the stages? for the lazy ones

no i cant, since we have a new editor the link (at least the one i used) doesnt work anymore)
but its much better visible ingame in the editor anyways, just go to profile editor, delete the active filter and filter for designer Hansa and name andes, all of them should appear then, they are named andes01-andes15 only stage 6 is andes6

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:03 pm

team fl wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:54 pm

can you link the detailed profiles for the stages? for the lazy ones

no i cant, since we have a new editor the link (at least the one i used) doesnt work anymore)
but its much better visible ingame in the editor anyways, just go to profile editor, delete the active filter and filter for designer Hansa and name andes, all of them should appear then, they are named andes01-andes15 only stage 6 is andes6

ufff, I am getting old. totally forgot that. Anyway, who are you again?

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:03 pm

team fl wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:54 pm

can you link the detailed profiles for the stages? for the lazy ones

no i cant, since we have a new editor the link (at least the one i used) doesnt work anymore)
but its much better visible ingame in the editor anyways, just go to profile editor, delete the active filter and filter for designer Hansa and name andes, all of them should appear then, they are named andes01-andes15 only stage 6 is andes6

I put it in the Calendar Preview for you (even easier to click through).

There's no need for the rest day in my opinion, stages 5 and 6 are kind of a rest day especially with the long downhill. And the second part is of the tour is easy, so skipping the rest day would fit in.

cataracs wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:00 pm

There's no need for the rest day in my opinion, stages 5 and 6 are kind of a rest day especially with the long downhill. And the second part is of the tour is easy, so skipping the rest day would fit in.

Rest day is needed for the managers Ideally on the weekend for the morning teams

Alkworld wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:02 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:00 pm

There's no need for the rest day in my opinion, stages 5 and 6 are kind of a rest day especially with the long downhill. And the second part is of the tour is easy, so skipping the rest day would fit in.

Rest day is needed for the managers Ideally on the weekend for the morning teams

the rest day is with the current offseason preview on a saturday if i am correct.

Maybe the restday is not needed, maybe it is needed for escapers. the rest day also gives the ability on the day before to try some big moves.

and the rest day also is needed for the rider transfer.

and 10+ stage tours should have a restday according to UCI.

Also i think it fits for the tour to have the restday there.

Wait I thought it ends on stage 12

cataracs wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:17 pm

Wait I thought it ends on stage 12

nah its 15 stages + 1 rest day, 16 days