How about going back to the Winter calendar?
olmania wrote:Then, better cancel all plans of doing something new, if people are just ok working with old system where 5 old players decided which races to race and plan it just few days before it ...
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Well, lying and misrepresenting what happened in the past certainly seems a brilliant way of starting something new... In 2012 NoPikouze opened the topic in June. So much for "plan it just a few days before). In 2013 the discussion started on September 17th, again, a few days before is not what I would call that. 5 old players? The thread was open to anybody to post.
So far in this thread it's even less than 5 players discussing about the topic.... probably something to do with the one sided "allow no other opinion" way you have been posting.
Anyway, you want to do something new, basically re-invent the wheel. Ok, what's the advantages? You wrote a bit about that.
Community decides by vote: Well.... just look at the Dec Tours votes, how horrible the participation is there really. Now vote for all classics too? We'll have 20 people voting. I'd rather have 5 people discussing and deciding than 20 people voting.
Diversity: If you had actually shown some respect to those who did the work before, and copied the classics from last year you'd have discovered that there WAS diversity. Of course easier just to claim something that fits what you want. But ok, I'll do what really would have been your work, I list the classics we had last winter.
October:
category 2
Bielsko Biala, Poland, hilly, since 2010, classic one year later, like all others too
Mosellcup, Germany, light pavé, light hill, since 2007,
category 3
Bolkow -Bolwok, Poland, hilly, since 2007
All three in October because of the weather.
November:
cat 2:
Canyon de Chelly, US, flatish, hill sprinter, since 2012
Kampala-Kibogo, Uganda, flat, since 2012
cat 3:
Wallis et Futuna, hill sprinter-classic sprinter, since 2010
GP Brescia: Hilly, since 2007
Lanzarote: Hilly, but possible for sprinters, surprising amount of sprinters won it last year. since 2010
nothing for climbers, but sprinters get 1 pretty sure, 2 with chances, if some mountain at least.
December:
cat 2
Kisoro-Kabale, hilly, since 2012
San Benito, Matagalpa, climbers, chances for classics I think. since 2012
GP Coimbra: hilly circuit, max 5, finish -2, possible for sprinters I'd say, first edition.
Pavé de Noel: hilly, pavé, always changing somehow, since 2007?
Christmas Island, Hilly, since 2012
Tour de Herne: hilly, pavé, as jubilee race
Catania-Etna, HC, climbers, since 2012
La St Sylvestre: flat, since 2007 (probably with changing route)
2 climbers, 1 sprint, 1 possible sprint, 2 something with pavé and hills, 2 hilly, there is diversity again
January:
cat 2
Colombo-Agablablablabla, hilly, since 2010
Coupe de Guadeloupe: hilly, since 2012, break in 2013
Novo Hamburgo-Caxias do Sul, hilly, 2013
Papeete TTT, since 2013
cat 3
GP Letztebuerg, hilly, since 2007
Here yes, in January all hilly, except the TTT
Overall, of course the hilly type is prevalent, as it is in real classics too...
That's it for one day races.... here you have what we had last year... so what does anybody think to do with those?
stage races: First off, need to stay flexible, last year the participation in winter was horrible at RSF. If it's again like this, less tours than the ones proposed would be ok. Need to see how it will be this year. Fixing it already now? Too early.
Second: IMO nice to have the real race designers have their fantasy tours in the winter, as "prize" for their hard work during the real season. Wasn't an official policy, but IMO leso ended up giving the real race designers precedence if he had more than one tour that fit what he wanted. Should stay like that IMO, rather no vote but precendence for OL, Luques, POke, leso etc for short tours this year, that's the guys that designed most of the real races I think. Ah, Taka too, and Hunsrück early in the year maybe. Better their tours, even if they aren't that good than a fantastic RKL creation, since RKL designed nothing this year. Or SM idiocies, help.
You want to vote for everything.. .I say on tours, less votes are better, keep it at the important one, dec tour, that's what makes it special. For the others stay flexible, reward the summer workers with their fantasy tour, adjust the number depending on participation etc.
Anyway, are you (OL) ready to discuss properly, some openness for other ideas or do you just want to ram your ideas down everybodiy's throat? Because so far it looks like the throat thing, an opening post, ignoring basically everything that happened before, refusing to properly show/represent what was done in the past years, misrepresent what was ridden last year .If that's the plan, then well, probably it's better not to do anything new.