April 2018

[luques]

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/april2018.pdf

APRIL 2018

01 Apr 18 Ronde van Vlaanderen - Tour des Flandres BEL 1.UWT
01 Apr 18 La Roue Tourangelle Région Centre Val de Loire - Trophée Harmonie Mutuelle FRA 1.1
01-06 Apr 18 The Princess Maha Chackri Sirindhorn's Cup "Tour of Thailand" THA 2.1
02-07 Apr 18 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco ESP 2.UWT
03-06 Apr 18 Circuit Cycliste Sarthe - Pays de la Loire FRA 2.1 [/color]
04 Apr 18 Scheldeprijs BEL 1.HC
08 Apr 18 64 Klasika Primavera de Amorebieta ESP 1.1
08 Apr 18 Paris-Roubaix FRA 1.UWT
10 Apr 18 Paris-Camembert FRA 1.1
11 Apr 18 De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne BEL 1.HC
13-15 Apr 18 GP Beiras e Serra da Estrela POR 2.1
14 Apr 18 Tour du Finistère FRA 1.1
15 Apr 18 Amstel Gold Race NED 1.UWT
15 Apr 18 Tro-Bro Léon FRA 1.1
16-20 Apr 18 Tour of the Alps ITA 2.HC
17-22 Apr 18 Tour of Croatia CRO 2.HC
18 Apr 18 La Flèche Wallonne BEL 1.UWT
20-22 Apr 18 Vuelta a Castilla y Leon ESP 2.1
22 Apr 18 Giro dell'Appennino ITA 1.1
22 Apr 18 Liège-Bastogne-Liège BEL 1.UWT
24-29 Apr 18 Tour de Romandie SUI 2.UWT
27-29 Apr 18 Vuelta Asturias Julio Alvarez Mendo ESP 2.1
28-29 Apr 18 Belgrade Banjaluka BIH 2.1


ONLINE, MUST BE DRAWED OR CHECKED(WHEN PROFILE STILL THE SAME)
NOT ONLINE
NEW VERSION DRAWED
AT WORK
DELETE OR POSTPONED
SAME TRACK AS PREVIOUS YEAR

[Coroncina2]

working on Pais Vasco
paisvascost1_18.c4f done

At the moment I have some problem to finish this tour. My pc crashed, I have to finish my degree in few days and after I'll go to Belgium for RVV.
You can drow all over again or if you want save some time you can start from what I did till now. In GPSies.com there are track of all the stages.
Have a nice game!

[Robyklebt]

PDF on since the 15th. No comments, everybody agrees with everything?

Would have thought some stuff is controversial.

1) Parallel races: Often we put races that were parallel to aat 6 or cat 5 classics the next day. Not in this proposal, Tourangelle, Amorbieta, Tro Bro Léon, Appennino right now all parallel to the classics. Would have thought at least Tro Bro gets protests...
And the Donkey actually has another proposal here. So far we had the classics only for D1-5 (or D1-6), the parallel races D6-7. Don't have the numbers for that, so not doing it this year, MSR was open for all too. BUT what I propose is to have the parallel race restricted to D2-7.. or D3-7. "Force" the big teams to ride the big race. Probably won't be popular, but still a proposal.

2) No Vuelta Castilla y Leon. 1.1 UCI, from the 20-22nd. I have 0 problems not having it, but maybe somebody does? The spot 20-22 already overbooked now.. don't see how another stage race there would make sense.

And of course times. Categories.. like what for this new Beograd-Banja Luka thing?

1.2. races of course can be put in if somebody designs them... (but first priority in designing should be the other stuff)

Would be nice if the comments to improve the plan come early.. would ideally finalizing the calendar on the 25th, would be nice, but ok, no comments yet, and only 3 days, so let's try for the 27th

[Robyklebt]

Scheldeprijs done

Back to * - ** for Broekstraat. Was like that earlier, last year ** - **. *-** fits better IMO, it's only 1700 meters too, so not 2 full km.

[Kelme-Movistar]

Please set each TOUR and Races in the morning, too

Thank you very much for understanding.

[Robyklebt]

Sorry, won't happen.

If the morning gets every race, then all the other times should get every race too. And then we would regularly have 15 races a day. And with the number of players we have right now, wouldn't make sense. Yesterday we had 79 teams playing.

[Pokemon Club]

no -2 or less + cobbles, will details cobbles later if I have time, mintact km 210

[Gipfelstuermer]

Don't think we can set a rule that every race will have a morning edition. But for April, perhaps we can offer something better than Beiras e Serra WITHOUT morning, Alps ONLY at 11 and Croatia WITHOUT morning.

Maybe Alps at 9 or 10 and Beiras e Serra at 11? If we ride that one, why not in the morning? (no parallel tour as far as i can see)

BTW: Croatia and Romandie not online yet. But if they come online soon, I could draw them.

[Pokemon Club]

Biggest problem is Croatia // LBL

[Gipfelstuermer]

True. Put Croatia one day ealier? Not sure if that would be in line with RSF principles for riding real races on the real date...

If not, maybe no Croatia at all to make people ride LBL? Would be ok because Croatia is only parallel to Tour of the Alps! Bad for Sprinter teams... well, no, they can focus on Amstel Gold Race, Fleche Wallone and LBL then with no regeneration issue. So, when I think about it, I propose: No Croatia (sorry), but make Beiras e Serra 11-16-21-24 and make Tour of the Alps 10-15-19-23.

Ah, and I agree with the Donkey, that we might want to put Amorbieta, Tro Bro, Giro dell'Appennino on different dates. Just to make it possible to ride them. (will otherwise have really small pelotons for those races)

[Robyklebt]

Ah, you're not agreeing with me Gipfel. I'm for real dates, so Amorbieta etc parallel. But realize it's different from what we had in the past so might not be universally agreed upon

So if enough people are for wrong dates I would be slightly unhappy about it but agree. Donkey would easily agree with Amorbieta and Appennino one day later. No stage race or anything else the next day. Would agree too, but a bit more hesitant with Tourangelle and Tro Bro, since there are Pais Vasco and Alpes starting the next day, thus not giving the irrealistic chance to start both races with partly the same riders to everybody, but only to those that don't ride the stage races.

Alps-Croatia, and Croatia LBL.
Here I think the proposal works. Combined 5 editions for the 2 tours. The times can be different, but 5 ok. 3 for the more important one, 2 for Croatia which overlaps with LBL. Seems ok for me. You ride Croatia, like Nibali last year, you can't go for LBL

The portuguese thing. Nothing parallel, true. So that could have more editions actually. Only 3 to keep in line with other tours of similar (or actually higher) importance in April, but yeah, 4 could be ok.

Donkey will finish Pais Vasco btw. Tonight and tomorrow.

[Robyklebt]

Luques, can you finalize April soon?

Check the last few messages for proposals...then decide and make it official.

[luques]

Please set each TOUR and Races in the morning, too

Thank you very much for understanding.

This is not possible as Roby said, simply there are too few teams to guarantee everything at everytime. But if you tell us what tour you are going to play and there is some support we can adjust times to give it (as we did for example with Langkawi).

[Robyklebt]

But soon....
And then Luques can order the discussion to be finished and finalize the calendar..

[luques]

But soon....
And then Luques can order the discussion to be finished and finalize the calendar..

Updated.

I am a bit afraid of Romandie at 24, it doesn't have long stages?

P.S. Btw I think first 10days are already ok to upload, Portuguese tour seems hard to find/design.

[Robyklebt]

Historically no. This year details unclear, but seems no too.

[Robyklebt]

But soon....
And then Luques can order the discussion to be finished and finalize the calendar..

Updated.

I am a bit afraid of Romandie at 24, it doesn't have long stages?

P.S. Btw I think first 10days are already ok to upload, Portuguese tour seems hard to find/design.

Grr, I'll want to upload LBL and Flèche too! High cat stuff.

As for designs, the link Pokemon posted a while ago in general helps
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/races/calendar

Basically everything can be found there.

[Robyklebt]

[Robyklebt]

Flanders, Schelde, Pais Vasco online. Changed km 222 at Flanders to -2 with pavé, was -3. Adjusted in the next km. Rest some other time.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Working on Croatia. Thanks for the Link again to La Flamme Rouge.








Btw, we have two versions of Tour of the Alps! One is from Poke, one is from CC. Both are in the Season 2018 thread. Somebody has to judge^^

[Golden State Team]

Tour of the Alps in the morning please!

[Pokemon Club]

no -2 or less + cobbles, will details cobbles later if I have time, mintact km 210

after checking I cut the 7th first km

[katiki]

Why is croatia only on 16h-22h?

[luques]

Tour of the Alps in the morning please!

11h isn't in the morning?

[team fl]

Tour of the Alps in the morning please!

11h isn't in the morning?

That's a common misconception: Although at an 11h edition you start in the morning, the main part of the race (finish) will be most likely after noon, which is not morning anymore. So for players who tend to have lunch at 12h or even at 12:30 or have other duties at noon, even though they have time to ride in the morning (until noon), this time does not apply. Hence, actually no, although 11h is a morning time, a race that starts at 11h is not entirely a morning race. Like 17h is afternoon technically, but races that start at 17h will most likely end in the evening... (true for most 16h races as well).