Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:25 pm
Radunion wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:38 pm
In summary, I see no reason not to ride ALUla[...]
To name a few, reasons could be:
- It is only cat 2.1
- There are cat 1.1 one day races in parallel
- It is not only about category but also about participants (which WT teams have signed up?)
- The timing isn't perfect between TDU and the many tours we will likely have starting early Feb (whereas in other months UCI calendar is so empty we even add cat 0.0 stage races!)
- Someone will need to design it and it won't be the calendar manager
- It has never been ridden before in c4f, I think, for lack of popularity
- We have 3 other tours in the month already
Would any of those reasons be valid for you?
Having said that, if many people want to ride it, it's not impossible.
Maybe this cannot be handled in a short post. But as this forum is no stranger to long an rumbling post I can give it a go myself. Feel free to stop reading it in the middle when it is too tiresome.
(1) We do not treat .1 and .Pro races very different here for good reason. Probably some here know the UCI system better then me, still a short reminder about the participation criteria.
.Pro
UCI WorldTeams (max 70%)
UCI ProTeams
UCI Continental teams (of the country the race is in)
National teams (of the country of the organizer)
UCI foreign continental teams (max. 2)
.1
UCI WorldTeams (max 50%)
UCI ProTeams
UCI continental teams
National teams
Apart from the obvious reason if a race attracts WorldTeams and a bit of prestige the higher category brings there is little benifits. As the difference between the categories is usually not a factor in calendar planning I do not see why it should be here.
(2) I do not see a conflict between one-day races and tours of the same category. Just let the managers decide.
(3) Trust me, I do at least minimal research before I suggest something here. At times the reasons are not good and others disagree with them, but they are always there. Thanks to Lenny for pointing last year's teams out.
(4) Actually the timing is perfect as there is no overlapping tour. There are always many overlapping tours and races in early spring and the in-game-callander should represent this. In February we will certainly need to prioritize one race over another or offer just 2 or even 1 time per tour.
(5) Well there could be somebody who is willing to design it. I have not done real races yet but I do think I could help out or even feel compelled to help out if my suggestions get approved. What I will not do is design races before a decision is made about riding them (there is no information yet anyway). This was done successfully last summer and was discouraging me from offering my help in discussions and designing.
(6) We never have done it is the worst reason for anything. Maybe it overlapped with other tours in the past or just nobody cared about it.
(7) Yes we have a couple of tours this month already but we will certainly have more tours in February and in fact in most months (maybe except Grand Tour month where we cut tours to avoid low participation.
All in all, I will do the calendar comparison feature not to annoy somebody but to further discussion. Too often it is just a this is the calendar and then somebody tries to get a race in because it looks nice for the team or the race is in their home country, a country they like, or similar reasons. just saying this is the UCI calender and this is the plan and we should have a reason why we drop races not the other way round. Honestly, I hate the tour I suggested in real life as it is sportwashing and marketing for a totalitarian country in the best case.
