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WEST VLAANDEREN 2014





The first stage (TT) are the same as last year.

Moscow Team Pro wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote:
I didn't pay attention before leso start to post March calendar, but IMO **** and ***** is too much for Strade Bianche, but really really too much. *** maximum is enough for strades so maybe you can change that =)

Edit : Luques said me organizers consider that like *****, you, italians, are crazy guys

Ho solo fatto quello che sta scritto qui : http://www.spaziociclismo.it/continenta ... tria-35445

Shoul I downgrade only the 5* and 4* or all cobbles -1* ?

lesossies wrote:

Moscow Team Pro wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote:
I didn't pay attention before leso start to post March calendar, but IMO **** and ***** is too much for Strade Bianche, but really really too much. *** maximum is enough for strades so maybe you can change that =)

Edit : Luques said me organizers consider that like *****, you, italians, are crazy guys

Ho solo fatto quello che sta scritto qui : http://www.spaziociclismo.it/continenta ... tria-35445

Shoul I downgrade only the 5* and 4* or all cobbles -1* ?

IMO because it is just "dirty road" and not cobbles 1* should be 1*, 2* and 3* should be 2*, 4* and 5* should be 3*, it was already enough selective like that for RSF. With 4* and 5* it will become a pure pave specialist race when it is more for classics.
After it is better if somes others give their opinions too, and then decide like you feel it should be leso ^^.

For Criterium International profil isn't out, but the name and the KMs of stages are the same, so I think all is identic of 2013 version.

I´m waiting with Strade Bianche and C.I.
I would change it later.

Lankawi 5 times
PN 4 times

Afternoon tours barely getting more than 5 participants. Evening getting cut out with no reason.

Could you give us the real tours for 22-23h ?

NoPikouze wrote:Lankawi 5 times
PN 4 times

Afternoon tours barely getting more than 5 participants. Evening getting cut out with no reason.

Could you give us the real tours for 22-23h ?

1) It is LanGkawi

2) Langkawi is a real tour, probably the best of the month. It contends the best tour of the year trophy with La Tropicale.

3) What is all this hysterism for Tirreno and Nice? 4 times for tours in parallel is enough, he said the times 9,14,18,21 and 11,16,20,23 , there is 23h... So i quote poke "Just stay relax" or propose your hours.

luques wrote:

NoPikouze wrote:Lankawi 5 times
PN 4 times

Afternoon tours barely getting more than 5 participants. Evening getting cut out with no reason.

Could you give us the real tours for 22-23h ?

1) It is LanGkawi

2) Langkawi is a real tour, probably the best of the month. It contends the best tour of the year trophy with La Tropicale.

3) What is all this hysterism for Tirreno and Nice? 4 times for tours in parallel is enough, he said the times 9,14,18,21 and 11,16,20,23 , there is 23h... So i quote poke "Just stay relax" or propose your hours.

1) It is bullshit

2) It is the worst tour of the year

3) There is a parallel tour of Langkawi, and it isn't 9,14,18,21 or 11,16,20,23 for PN, it is 9,14,18,21 for PN and 11,16,20,23 for TA !

NoPikouze wrote:Lankawi 5 times
PN 4 times

Afternoon tours barely getting more than 5 participants. Evening getting cut out with no reason.

Could you give us the real tours for 22-23h ?

4 tours for PN and for Tirreno was the answer.
I decided 9,14,18,21 for PN and 11,16,20,23 for TA

9,14,18,21,23 for PN and 11,16,20,22 for TA had been a possibility too.

How is it with the most important classics?
Are the profiles the same ?
MSR has an an other final.

Pokemon Club wrote: 1) It is bullshit

2) It is the worst tour of the year

3) There is a parallel tour of Langkawi, and it isn't 9,14,18,21 or 11,16,20,23 for PN, it is 9,14,18,21 for PN and 11,16,20,23 for TA !

1), 2) when malaysian guys will conquer the world then you will remember Langkawi btw i Agree, 4 times would have been better as i said up i think but now it's too late.

3) And then? I actually don't have a problem of hours, but i think Leso balanced them in order to give every one the possibility to ride them. People who plays at 9 are not exactly the same of those who play at 11, people who plays at 14 arent' the same that play at 16. It is normal that leso tries to give everyone the possibility to play. The fact is, imo, instead of crying that there is not a tour at yx to xz hour, why just don't tell clearly WHAT tour you want to play and the TIME? Or even better, already propose a variation of the time suggested by leso at least instead of giving a problem you offer him a solution, seems simple...

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@Leso: MSR doesn't know even RCS how it will be. Well actually they don't even know how will be Strade Bianche and it is the next week For others classic I let experts speaking

MSR:

As Luques said nobody knows for sure yet.
New course, no Le Manie, but Pompeiana in, but road problems, so might not be that course after all. Wait and see here.

lol crazy Luques

Anyway, 4 times for PN with 23h who disappear isn't really my problem. But 20-23h are time where there is currently the most of players, cut one of the 2 time the the night just looks strange, more if there is 40 players at 21h and 10 at 9h, 15h and 18h.

luques wrote:3) And then? I actually don't have a problem of hours, but i think Leso balanced them in order to give every one the possibility to ride them. People who plays at 9 are not exactly the same of those who play at 11, people who plays at 14 arent' the same that play at 16. It is normal that leso tries to give everyone the possibility to play. The fact is, imo, instead of crying that there is not a tour at yx to xz hour, why just don't tell clearly WHAT tour you want to play and the TIME? Or even better, already propose a variation of the time suggested by leso at least instead of giving a problem you offer him a solution, seems simple...

Yes and people who ride at 22-23h are not the same as 21h. And there are a lot more of them than morning and afternoon people.

I seriously don't care if there are 4 or 8 editions of every race.
This topic has been discussed since forever (how many edition, group size etc...) and the solution we get is to cut races where are the most people. It's difficult to accept...


I have told my times often enough. 22-23. Earlier would be 21h but sometimes I'm not home until 21h30 or 45. Later would be too late. Period.

And why would I ride TA instead of PN. It's not the same races, it's not a substitute.

NoPikouze wrote: I seriously don't care if there are 4 or 8 editions of every race.
This topic has been discussed since forever (how many edition, group size etc...) and the solution we get is to cut races where are the most people. It's difficult to accept...
I have told my times often enough. 22-23. Earlier would be 21h but sometimes I'm not home until 21h30 or 45. Later would be too late. Period.

And why would I ride TA instead of PN. It's not the same races, it's not a substitute.

Then you still not understand. I never said that night doesn't deserve more spots then the morning or afternoon hours. What i said is that if you tell leso add 23h you create him a problem or something to think about as he has to rearrange hours, if you directly write him down the hours you offer him a solution. But ok can't continue to stress this point, already said enough times, it's simply the difference between a constructive critic and a critic for itself.

Btw 5 for PN + 4 for Tirreno may be a good solution.

P.S. As I agree too that afternoon and morning deserve some cuts, i don't agree that this cuts must be done always, some important races such as GTs and HC i think must be available at every time. Again, I repeat, not speaking for myself as i can race everytime but just cause i think it is fair. (yeah ape i know you don't agree on this )

The afternoon got the Vuelta cut for no good reason.
So until EVERY OTHER FUCKING TIME gets no Vuelta, no more cuts in the afternoon

Robyklebt wrote:The afternoon got the Vuelta cut for no good reason.
So until EVERY OTHER FUCKING TIME gets no Vuelta, no more cuts in the afternoon

But you were not one of the supporters of cutting GTs in the afternoon?

I'm a supporter of cutting everything by now. Except SM races, they are so good and you get rich.

I decided it quickly before the end of the month:
now 5 times Paris-Nice 9,15,18,21,23
and 4 times Tirreno Adriatico 11,17,20,22
The PDF File has been updated.

lesossies wrote:I decided it quickly before the end of the month:
now 5 times Paris-Nice 9,15,18,21,23
and 4 times Tirreno Adriatico 11,17,20,22
The PDF File has been updated.

Bah...give 5 times for all cat 4+, like that no complain like "why there is no time for X races" for you

Ah and West Vlandereen who start the 06.02, it is a true choice, not a mistake ?

Pokemon Club wrote:Ah and West Vlandereen who start the 06.02, it is a true choice, not a mistake ?

true choice, a logical conclusion if we want to have enough teams for the most important races.

lesossies wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote:Ah and West Vlandereen who start the 06.02, it is a true choice, not a mistake ?

true choice, a logical conclusion if we want to have enough teams for the most important races.

Allright ^^

please leso take care of the regulations@msr....guess again div1-5, same for the other monuments?

Finally no change for Strade Bianches leso ?