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lesossies wrote:Rules are good but flexibility is better

New start times
http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/february2014.pdf
3 times/tour by 3 tours
4 times/tour by 2 tours
5 times/tour by 1 tour
but not an absolute rule.

Hehe I am not against flexibility, but what about 1 day race with that.

Just have a looks about there is TDU and San Luis in parallel :

21.01 : 9h : 4 teams, 16h : 5 teams, 20h : 7 teams, 21h : 7 teams

22.01 : 11h : 8 teams, 18h : 5 teams, 20h : 2 teams, 23h : 6 teams

23.01 : 10h : 6 teams, 15h : 5 teams, 18h : 4 teams, 21h : 4 teams, 23h : 5 teams

24.01 : 9h : 5 teams, 14h : 7 teams, 18h : 6 teams, 20h : 3 teams, 23h : 7 teams

25.01 : 9h : 3 teams, 14h : 6 teams, 18h : 3 teams, 20h : 6 teams, 23h : 6 teams

26.01 : 10h : 2 teams, 14h : 8 teams, 18h : 7 teams, 21h : 1 teams, 23h : 10 teams

What about limit it at 4 fields for one day race too when there is at least 1 tour in parrallel ? 18+20 or 21+23 can surely fusion, no ?

Pokemon Club wrote: What about limit it at 4 fields for one day race too when there is at least 1 tour in parrallel ? 18+20 or 21+23 can surely fusion, no ?

I could
but I cannot understand what is happening with the evening races.

lesossies wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote: What about limit it at 4 fields for one day race too when there is at least 1 tour in parrallel ? 18+20 or 21+23 can surely fusion, no ?

I could
but I cannot understand what is happening with the evening races.

Bah San Luis 20h + 22h = 38 teams ans TDU 21h + 23h = 28 teams, 64 teams on tours, it isn't so big but it can explain a little ^^

Like the new thing! 3+3+3 is very nice I think.
Only thing that maybe could have been done better a bit more variation for the morning and afternoon time. We get 3 times 9 for the morning, 3 times 15 for the afternoon (at least in the PDF plan). There some 14, some 16, some 10, some 11 (?) would have been ok too I think. But the principle is very good I think

Big question for March: What will it be for Tirreno/PN? 4+4?

Ah, what do we still need to design for February? Ape could do something too, just hasn't really payed attention to what was designed until now... Ruta del Sol not done yet it seems? Doesn't appear on the first page either though... Ape can start it if nobody doing it.

Robyklebt wrote:Ah, what do we still need to design for February? Ape could do something too, just hasn't really payed attention to what was designed until now... Ruta del Sol not done yet it seems? Doesn't appear on the first page either though... Ape can start it if nobody doing it.

Miss only Algarve, Oman and Langkawi. But Algarve profil isn't out, and Luques want design Oman + Langkawi so ask at Mister Luq.



PS : Haut-Var stage 2 is on the first page if nobody see it, no need to design yhe first, it is the same than last year

Oh, Ruta done, ok, then only Algarve, and not on yet.... good good, ape doing nothing for the moment then.

Pokemon Club wrote: Miss only Algarve, Oman and Langkawi. But Algarve profil isn't out, and Luques want design Oman + Langkawi so ask at Mister Luq.

There is a big difference between want design, and if no one wants design i will do

Robyklebt wrote:Oh, Ruta done, ok, then only Algarve, and not on yet.... good good, ape doing nothing for the moment then.

EDIT: No need help anymore, tomorrow will be up

Go Luques, you can do it !

well, at the moment RSF still has problems with 2 tours at the same time. we do not have enough actives teams to get good races with 2 tours at the same time (a lot of small noob races without any fun)

so do you think that 3 tours at the same time will be good? we will get a lot of small fields with 1-4 teams and the same at the singleraces....

...i gues that one tour is quite enough for RSF at the momemt.

Flat stage, 15km min-tact



Flat stage, last sieb km at -32, long min tact 34kms but short stage



Mid-Mountain stage, in RSF i guess will be won by a climber. Anyway 27km min-tact have fun



Mid-Mountain stage, this time should be more easy for classics. Long mintact



Mountain Stage, around 10km mintact, mountain really steep.



Last "flat" stage. The beginning is quite difficult, at the end same circuit of last year, around 20km min-tact.

19.01: 86
20.01: 46 + San Luis = 105
21.01: 23 + Tours = 133
22.01: 23 + Tours = 133
23.01: 23 + Tours = 133
24.01: 28 + Tours = 138
25.01: 21 + Tours = 131
26.01: 28 + tours = 138
27.01: 77
28.01: 73

San Luis: 59
Down Under: 51
Tours: 110

Well, actually i was saying that we are missing players but in reality seems that after TDU and San Luis 50/60 guys disappeared

I will check also next days cause if we still remain in 70/80, 3 tours looks really too much, if we are in 140 with reduced times for every tour i think we can do it

Bah if we are 140 with 3 times 3 tours + 4 times 1 day race it makes something like 11 teams per field it isn't the top but it can be far worst

well...11 teams / tour...would be ok...but i fear it will be something like 15,16 at the evening and 3,4 afternoon....

I expect about 140 teams for the 3 tours, it should be enough but the morning and/or the afternoon could do some problems.
I could put 1 or 2 tours license-free but we then risk to gettoo much newbyes.

at the new zealand tour we only have 52 Teams and 47 teams at the single races. so yesterday 99 Teams played RSF at 11 Times, so 9 Teams/Race.

And you think that 140 Teams will ride the 3 Tours? sounds crazy

Allagen wrote:at the new zealand tour we only have 52 Teams and 47 teams at the single races. so yesterday 99 Teams played RSF at 11 Times, so 9 Teams/Race.

And you think that 140 Teams will ride the 3 Tours? sounds crazy

Nothing crazy, it isn't all who ride 1 day race, but there is more people who sign in tours else if they know they will be off 1 or 2 days.

Leso I forget to tell, Oman is online, profiles up, takes place from 18.02 to 23.02, 6 stages.

Trofeo Laigueglia will take place on Friday 21/02, still no info about it, they find late some sponsors, and now they are checking roads as some were ruined.

Pokemon Club wrote:

Allagen wrote:at the new zealand tour we only have 52 Teams and 47 teams at the single races. so yesterday 99 Teams played RSF at 11 Times, so 9 Teams/Race.

And you think that 140 Teams will ride the 3 Tours? sounds crazy

Nothing crazy, it isn't all who ride 1 day race, but there is more people who sign in tours else if they know they will be off 1 or 2 days.

jeb and i see 52 teams riding the new zealand tour. okay, maybe not everybody want to ride this tour. but i think it is crazy to calculate with 140 teams when we only have 50-70 teams riding a tour... .

but we will see. i bet all my money that we will have less then 140 teams at these 3 tours i think that we will have less then 140 at all (single and tour teams)

Tag Tagesrennen Rundfahrt Gesamt
01. Jan 96 0 96
02. Jan 56 60 116
03. Jan 35 87 122
04. Jan 50 87 137
05. Jan 51 87 138
06. Jan 44 87 131
07. Jan 50 60 110
08. Jan 54 60 114
09. Jan 60 60 120
10. Jan 30 94 124
11. Jan 37 94 131
12. Jan 39 94 133
13. Jan 56 60 116
14. Jan 53 31 84
15. Jan 67 31 98
16. Jan 60 31 91
17. Jan 68 31 99
18. Jan 70 31 101
19. Jan 86 0 86
20. Jan 46 60 106
21. Jan 23 111 134
22. Jan 21 111 132
23. Jan 23 111 134
24. Jan 28 111 139
25. Jan 21 111 132
26. Jan 28 111 139
27. Jan 77 0 77
28. Jan 73 0 73
29. Jan 47 52 99

Durchschnitt 49,97 74,52 114,21


Tag/Day. Tagesrennen/Single Race. Rundfahrt/Tour. Gesamt/total. Durchschnitt/average.

the average of the tourraces is without the days without any tours.... so you have 74,52 Users when we have a tour and not 64,24 (if you count the days without any tour).

if you take the average of singleraces without the 4 days without any tourraces, you do not have 49,97 user/singlerace, you have 44,68 user/singlerace.

Do you still think that we will get 140 Teams at the 3 Tours in Feb? Record in January is 111 users at the tours and 139 together with single races...

after all we have round about 114 active users each day.

5 races a day = 22,8 teams/race
7 races a day = 16,3 teams/race
9 races a day = 12,6 teams/race
11 races a day = 10,4 teams/race
13 races a day = 8,77 teams/race
15 races a day = 7,6 teams/race


this is just the average! we do have a lot of teams at 20-24 h and only a some teams at 8-12 h.

i my opion we need races with 10-22 Teams. So i guess 5-9 times will be okay for everything, tours and single races. i think that 15 times (3 tours = 9 times + 6 single races) are to much.

Anyway, it is funny to see that always you take your fantastic big team for useless cat 1 one day race Allagen always the field is very very very small, else if all want skip you. Maybe it is just because there is no fun to ride against a team like that simply =)

Actually i would chose for the 9 times tour + 4 single race formula. This would give 13 race a day and so 8,7 person per each race.

4 single race in a day is not so low, we can skip morning or take an hour like 12/13 between morning and afternoon. By the way, let's see how it works, this problem should not be present again in March / April when there are many important single races.

luques wrote:Actually i would chose for the 9 times tour + 4 single race formula. This would give 13 race a day and so 8,7 person per each race.

4 single race in a day is not so low, we can skip morning or take an hour like 12/13 between morning and afternoon. By the way, let's see how it works, this problem should not be present again in March / April when there are many important single races.

If you don't count the all Alla's field where they will be 2, it will make easily 11-12 teams per field.

take a look at the races today.

17 users
13
11
8
7
7
7
6
4



so we have 80 users in 9 races. it´s 8,88/race. maybe at 22h we will have round about 15 users.....but even with 9,5 users for each race we are not really good.

6 of 9 races with 4-8 users. i do not like this.

i would prefer races with 12-21 teams. that would be much better for rsf...

so we need more teams or less races

No we don't need PTT. And it isn't because we will have less race that it is sure they wille have more participants. 2+2 isn't equal at 4 automatically.