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Start of the world tour...and if the races in Canada, romandy or catalunya get Cat 4 imo Tour Down Under should also get this category...but ok....same cat then tirreno or paris-nice...hmm...also a downgrade of stuff like romandy or catalunya possible...

or making a complete new "category" system based on the uci-cats...f.e. 1.2 or 2.1 or 1.HC...but also not sure about that...

edit: i didn't meant to give races cats like 1.2 or 2.1...just these numbers as possible orientation for the rsf-cats...i know we use them already, but as far as i know leso uses or used an older overview?

IMO Cat 3 is still enough for the lesser world tour stage races. Down Under, Poland, Eneco, Beijing and whatever other chinese shit the UCI comes up with.
They still are nowhere near the prestige of the traditional stage races. Including Romandie and Catalunya.

hum Jelisco is the only parallel tour at EAT ?

For the moment there is nothing for classic riders..few one day races only , and from 7january to 13 there is no tour exept EAT , puting Levantine Shores tour (fantasy by Radunion) from 7 to 13 of or Vuelta Ecuador (made by Taka ) on this date too would be great since teams with classic riders only are just tourists in the curent tours/one day races..

sylvainmeteo wrote:

NoPikouze wrote:As far as I can see the TDU profile is not perfect. Especially the 2 willunga hills from stage 5 !

Great innovation this automatic design... but has to be used with caution

BTW it's exactly the same stage as last year, you can take mine
151,5 km like last year...

Hunsrueck's willunga hill : 2/6/8/6/5
SM Team's willunga hill : 2/3/8/7/6

Roby help us ^^

The TDU still looks bad.
@Hunsrueck: Do you want to change it yourself or do you need support?

Alkworld wrote:

sylvainmeteo wrote:

NoPikouze wrote:As far as I can see the TDU profile is not perfect. Especially the 2 willunga hills from stage 5 !

Great innovation this automatic design... but has to be used with caution

BTW it's exactly the same stage as last year, you can take mine
151,5 km like last year...

Hunsrueck's willunga hill : 2/6/8/6/5
SM Team's willunga hill : 2/3/8/7/6

Roby help us ^^

The TDU still looks bad.
@Hunsrueck: Do you want to change it yourself or do you need support?

Sorry, but I do not find the error.
The stage is the same as last year, so we can take the stage from SM.
Come with the round courses not so clear 100%
If you want to even check times, the stage is stored in: tdust5.c4f

Thanks and sorry

Hunsrueck wrote:Sorry, but I do not find the error.
The stage is the same as last year, so we can take the stage from SM.
Come with the round courses not so clear 100%
If you want to even check times, the stage is stored in: tdust5.c4f

Thanks and sorry

I changed it a little bit. I adjusted the elevation of the two Willunga hill laps in the race to the elevations calculated with the coordinates (don't know if they are correct however). I ended up with 6-8-7-5, which is still pretty close to Hunsrueck's original version. The -12 downhill was a bit shocking, don't know where that came from.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

Hunsrueck wrote:Stage 6

MinTact: Km 60
LastKm: 0/0/0/1/1

Stage 6 also doesn't look good. It's a 4,5km circuit (difficult in RSF of course), so you can make it either 4 or 5 km, but it definitely doesn't end uphill and the laps should always be the same.
And another thing: The small climb of the lap itself is pretty short, but quite steep in real life (the corner of Montefiore Rd and Strangways Tce is the highest point, it's quite a bit above the Adelaide Oval on War Memorial Drive (see http://www.touradelaide.com/images/adel ... ne_600.jpg)). 2% might be more realistic here, but I don't know the correct altitudes.

Alkworld wrote:

Hunsrueck wrote:Stage 6

MinTact: Km 60
LastKm: 0/0/0/1/1

Stage 6 also doesn't look good. It's a 4,5km circuit (difficult in RSF of course), so you can make it either 4 or 5 km, but it definitely doesn't end uphill and the laps should always be the same.
And another thing: The small climb of the lap itself is pretty short, but quite steep in real life (the corner of Montefiore Rd and Strangways Tce is the highest point, it's quite a bit above the Adelaide Oval on War Memorial Drive (see http://www.touradelaide.com/images/adel ... ne_600.jpg)). 2% might be more realistic here, but I don't know the correct altitudes.

Any opinions about that? Should I change it or not? The least what there's to correct would be making the circuit an actual circuit.

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final circuits will be corrected.

Alkworld wrote:

Hunsrueck wrote:Stage 6

MinTact: Km 60
LastKm: 0/0/0/1/1

Stage 6 also doesn't look good. It's a 4,5km circuit (difficult in RSF of course), so you can make it either 4 or 5 km, but it definitely doesn't end uphill and the laps should always be the same.
And another thing: The small climb of the lap itself is pretty short, but quite steep in real life (the corner of Montefiore Rd and Strangways Tce is the highest point, it's quite a bit above the Adelaide Oval on War Memorial Drive (see http://www.touradelaide.com/images/adel ... ne_600.jpg)). 2% might be more realistic here, but I don't know the correct altitudes.

I changed it, circuit is now 0/2/-2/0/0

lesossies wrote: Besseges2 ???

http://www.etoiledebesseges.com/images/ ... rcours.pdf
http://www.etoiledebesseges.com/images/ ... 0Carte.pdf
I don't have the time to draw it, just post the link

@leso: Can you pls update the profiles of the Tour Down Under? Three stages (1, 5 and 6) were corrected.

Alkworld wrote:@leso: Can you pls update the profiles of the Tour Down Under? Three stages (1, 5 and 6) were corrected.

I updated it, should now be OK.

what the hell have you done?

where is your -6 downhill on this pdf of the course? completely wrong...
http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/documen ... tage-1.pdf

Stage 1's quite messed up in the end, indeed. Maybe the road collapsed.

Blaue Quellen wrote:Stage 1's quite messed up in the end, indeed. Maybe the road collapsed.

You should have seen it before I only corrected the actual altitudes (based on the percentages) according to the calculated altitudes. Those seemed not to be correct either. Feel free to correct it!

In fact it's not messed up as a whole stage, but the last 3km's should be nearly flat, going down from about 450 to 390 and up to 410mtrs altitude. If I see our road map I get the impression that the distance between Lobethal and Woodside is a mere 1km too long. Given the fact that we go this round 3 times we are missing 3km's in the end. But I might be wrong ...

Blaue Quellen wrote:In fact it's not messed up as a whole stage, but the last 3km's should be nearly flat, going down from about 450 to 390 and up to 410mtrs altitude. If I see our road map I get the impression that the distance between Lobethal and Woodside is a mere 1km too long. Given the fact that we go this round 3 times we are missing 3km's in the end. But I might be wrong ...

I had another look at Google Maps, the route and the profile on the website. The scale of the profile is hardly usable, but with the route and Google Maps, I saw the road within the last 4km first going 100m down, then a bit up again and down again right away. Only the last km is pretty flat. As it is not too easy to make proper changes in an existing profile, I only added one km after the 100m downhill (+1). It should still be pretty close to reality and maintain the character of that finish (being hilly and a short almost flat section in the end). Ok now?


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it seems to be difficult...cause the last three km should almost be pan-flat...like they say in the pdf-document...hmm

Rockstar Inc wrote:it seems to be difficult...cause the last three km should almost be pan-flat...like they say in the pdf-document...hmm

Check the route information on the website and Google Maps (I used the "Gelände" display). 4km before the end is on 500m altitude, finish line around 400m. Just before entering Lobethal, it's still very hilly and then there's only 1 km left. The scale of the profile in the pdf from the website is pretty unusable. 100m difference in altitude is maybe around half a centimetre there.

1. stage Down Under adapted :
last 3 kms: -5,0,0