Calendar October 10

[auxilium torino]

-Japan Cup OK if you transalte this:
http://www.japancup.gr.jp/2010/node/245

Ich glaube ist die gleiche wie letztes jahr,...oder, leso??
du hast das noch??

[olmania]

The First day of the China Trophy isn't too hard ?
36kms of TTT + 128kms with some +10% ! All the teams will burn ...

[Zauberlehrling]

Here it is...






Self-explaining... perfect for sprinters and pavériders.

[lesossies]

The First day of the China Trophy isn't too hard ?
36kms of TTT + 128kms with some +10% ! All the teams will burn ...

Do you mean ?
a slow TTT is possible if the teams want it.

[GengisKhan]

Japan Cup 2010

[auxilium torino]

Japan Cup 2010

Race ist the same every Year!
This one was the version 09

[NoPikouze]

I prefer the Gengis version
But that's by egoism

[Bear]

JapanCup10/2 = JapanCup09???

[GengisKhan]

Shorter this year, only 10 loops, and a 11th shorter than the 10 first. And their graph is a bit strange, because it shows a 15 km loop, whereas they indicate that the loop is 14,1 km.

edit: you can look here:
http://www.japancup.gr.jp/2010/node/273

and ok, I had forgotten the mountain prices ^^

[Bear]

My japanese is not that good. So I just can say what I think after looking on the image. I think km2 should be max 10%, better 9% (like it is in the 10 version). Km12-14 is difficult... no clue what's the best there...

[Luna]

On the image posted by Aux the loop is ~15km. The first rise with gpm at km 2 covers ~100m in less than 1km. That's >10% like Bear said. The last rise from km 12.5 to 13.5 covers ~60m in a litle more than 1km, so it's ~6%. km 12-14 are only slightly undulating. 1-2% would fit, i guess. It's less than 1km with a difference of 20-30m.

[auxilium torino]

The GPM is more than 10%,...and the km.13(tsuru) is 7%...yes, the track is 10 round x 14.1 +1 x 10.3

Am saturday 23 is a TTT 35.65 km.

[Robyklebt]

You guys piss me off.
Successfully played dead so didn't have to do it, and now you got me to check. What's worse, just finished the thing, and instead of posting it I closed the tab... Was a nice perfect google earth analysis km by km...

Grr

Basically the second km is NEVER EVER over 9%. 8,5, 8,6%, that it. From 258 to 344. then 160-197-173-173-164-194-239-17x?-18x? -18x? the next heights, if I remember correctly. km 13 a problem though, highest point 252, 1 km earlier is 187 I think, or 186, anyway, it is a 6 or 7 I think.

[auxilium torino]

from km. To 13 km. 17 There 's a difference in height of 185 meters.

[Robyklebt]

What?

[Robyklebt]

Stop looking at the profile on the site. According to that the finish of the lap is lower than the start of the lap.

Apeanalysis:

3 could even be 4, with GPS analyzer and 2668 waypoints over 13,865 km (and now the missing 235 meters piss me off too) and srtm3 the start is at 223 highest point at 346, so 123 meters in 1,868 Km. Start line: Took a white line on the road that would fit where it should be and makes sense as a finish line from a bicycle race.
9 It's just a 9. Can't see anything that would make it a 10% or more
-9
-6
-2
0
-1
3 500 meters up at 7%, but then 5 meters flat, slightly down.
5 500 meters flat, 0,1, ok, first it goes slightly down, then slightly up. second 500 meters go up at 8,8%. Mainly the last 400 meters at almost 10%. Average for the km 4,5 (well, 4,454%) 5 makes sense.
-7
0 (really goes up 2% then down 2% for ca 500 meters each
2: But here make 1,4 km into 1 km. Since the next climb start almost in the middle of a km, but overall is a 6+% it should be in. Adjust now.
6 1,1 km long, 6,4% first up, then a flatter part, last 500 meters 8%. 7% possible too, but probably 6 is better.
-3 it's really 359 meters at 8,2% down..the other 506 meters were relocated earlier to get the 6 at the km before. then the mystery of the missing meters. Make km 1 4 and make this -4 possible too.

Not that the SRTM thingy here seems to ultra-precise, seemed to have problem getting good readings too, a bit to many saws in the hills for my taste actually. But not as rough as the profile on the Japan cup site definetly is.

In the end, don't care though, it's the Japan Cup. Just stop basing the whole thing on that profile.

[Rockstar Inc]

Hm, something to think about? perhaps too much effort, but maybe worth to think some minutes...

At RSF we got a world championship every three months, three times each year stupid "fantasy-crap"

Now, we would have the possibility to ride the real world championship and we remove the world championship for a "Sausage-Crap-no one is interested in itTour" like FrancoBelge?

Yes of course, the real WM is four days, but at RSF we got the problem that U-23 riders are aging at the first of october and they have no chance to ride "their" WM...

sounds a little bit strange for me...okay i know, it's way to late to complain or discuss

but...is it possible to "freeze" the U-23 riders for the next month, so it's possible for them to ride the WM in their category

okay, this time it's probably too late for such things...but maybe for the next time?

[lesossies]

We must find a better solution, but we cannot freeze the time ..... Unfortunately

[Robyklebt]

What does Conia mean with freeze anyway?

I've been wondering what will happen anyway. Right now it's possible (or it was possible a few days ago at least) to nominate riders that are 23 now. That will be 24 in october. What will happen with those riders? Can they ride if they have been nominated when they were 23? Will they they simply not start without notice? (Meaning stay in the "aufgebot" but not show up in the race) Will they be kicked out of the inscriptions?

The easiest of course would be: Open the october WC for 24 year olds.

For the future? Different possibilities, but all not that important anyway. Only one question: How will it be for the next three WC. Stay in the end of the month, dec/may/june or change to early jan/april/july? Think the real WC will be in early october again next year, not sure though. Do we adapt everything or just october?

[skull]

dont forget chrono des nations
the same route like the last years

and we dont move the WC, we move franco-belge
the "main event" elite road race is on october 3rd - and the other events are on the same day in rsf, that isnt really new
btw the u23 road race is also in october - i dont see the problem
and maybe some manager buy riders who are 23 in october ...

Think the real WC will be in early october again next year, not sure though. Do we adapt everything or just october?

according to http://www.copenhagen2011.dk the next WC will be from 19 - 25 September 2011 with the elite road race on sep 25

[Robyklebt]

Ok, so next year sept again, cool. Should have checked, grr. So I guess we go back to the dec/march/june schedule. Got it.

23 in october, 23 in september, who cares. Not me really, the only thing that is a bit "bad" is that there is one generation of riders that will never have the chance to ride a U23 WC. those that are 23 this month.

[lesossies]

Lombardia and paris-Tours seem to have changed a lot.
I don´t know have the time to make it 100%.
Who want ?

[Robyklebt]

I think I convinced Aux to make Lombardia (and Piemonte if there are changes)

[Team Gismo]

In the generall overview of October there`s the South Alps Tour planned at the same time like the China Trophy already is diarized. Does there anyway will be a South Alps Tour (?), mainly because it's already signed and postet in the forum?

[Robyklebt]

Updated Emilia. They changed the first part, sort of a mess.... GPM Monzuno, but from the side they climb it Monzuno is more the end of a flat part, start of downhill then the top... but ok. Then difference between the map and the cronotabella in the downhill, took the cronotabella version. End the same as usual, didn't remeasure it, did it 700 times in 09 so....

Saved under emilia_10. Since emilia10 already used... (for a 09 version that wasn't good for 09 either actually)