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Agree with the 20 or 21h argument, when I have school, this 2 times are the only ones which I can ride
it should be good to have 20 or 21h in all the tours

Then you don't agree, because I just said that those 2 times should lose some tours too. Everybody bites in the apple. Enough with "let's have less tours", oh, "one less for the afternoon sounds good". Less tours? Everyone. Or no thanks, enough of hitting on the afternoon.

Ups, obviously made a mess of percentages before.. .afternoon has 37,5 of all non-offered tours that are planned with a time for february.
It has only 57% of the the 7 tours with time available.
Evening 71%, the rest 85%.

Less tours, I expect us poor afternoon boys to go down to 42% and all the others at 71% or something .In case my point isn't clear yet, fuck that. No to less tours under the current circumstances.

Robyklebt wrote:Ups, obviously made a mess of percentages before.. .afternoon has 37,5 of all non-offered tours that are planned with a time for february.
It has only 57% of the the 7 tours with time available.
Evening 71%, the rest 85%.

Less tours, I expect us poor afternoon boys to go down to 42% and all the others at 71% or something .In case my point isn't clear yet, fuck that. No to less tours under the current circumstances.

Word! Equality, dudes.

One of the main questions (for Buhman I mean) is Tours for everybody VS Money for everybody. MEaning quantity vs quality. Races for everybody vs strong groups.
Someone has to decide whether there should be MANY TOURS WITH LESS MONEY or on the opposite LESS TOURS WITH (a bit) MORE MONEY.
After that, you can decide of a schedule.

But currently there are much tours with much (easy) money, that's not so good. Especially with this auction system, we might see more and more strange things.

Robyklebt wrote:7 tours with times in the pdf

The morning (9-11) has 6
The afternoon (14-16) has 4
The early evening (17-19) has 6
The evening (20-21) has 5
The late evening (22-24) has 6

I guess it's too late to change anything.

We can change all that we want, its why I proposed to discuss it so early .

so change it ...

05 Feb Trofeo Palma de Mallorca Esp 1.1 -
06 Feb Trofeo Migjorn (was Trofeo Cala Millor-Cala Millor) Esp 1.1 -
07 Feb Trofeo Deià (was Trofeo Inca) Esp 1.1 -
08 Feb Trofeo final (was Trophée Deià) Esp 1.1 -
09 Feb Trofeo Magaluf-Palmanova Esp 1.1 - DELETE

Please, let the old name for RSF palmares

This year only 4 race, last would be delete

adapted Preview:
http://www.radsportfreaks.com/radsport/february2012.pdf

The morning (9-11) has 6
13h has 1
The afternoon (14-16) has 6
The early evening (17-18) has 5
19h has 2
The evening (20-21) has 4
The late evening (22-23) has 6
24h has 1

I I look this way, one should move from 22-23 to 20-21 but I dont see which one.
If I look the calendar, specially the times with 2 or 3 parallel tours, I find it is a good mix.

Now the afternoon is happy.
But fairly sure the evening 20-21 isn't....

Why give Qatar-Algarve-Sardegna the identical times from 16h on? Yes, makes sense to give the 3 similar times, but doesn't have to be the same exactly I think.
16-19-22 Q
15-18-21 A
16-20-23 S

It's a 1h change in each time, "crosses" the borders twice. But gives different people the chance to ride, while only changing one hour.
But actually you would need to consider haut Var, that somebody is designing I think (think read something somewhere) too... it's going to be in, better plan directly with that one too.

This short TT to end the tour makes a big difference compared to the past years.

26th, Boucles du Sud Ardèche, should be the same profile than last years. I remember that I did it once, but I can't find it (maybe not put in the calendar in 2011 by leso ?).

What about this tour in South Africa ... original ? You will say "season starts, we don't care about these minus races ..." ok, well I was just saying ! http://www.tourofsa.co.za/index.php?mod ... &stageID=1

nice, afternoon is happy..but why not tour on 8 hour morning, and why 24 hours only a shit tour like Oman(if is to draw, while the info are not good)?no right for othe players?

auxilium torino wrote:nice, afternoon is happy..but why not tour on 8 hour morning, and why 24 hours only a shit tour like Oman(if is to draw, while the info are not good)?no right for othe players?

Bring 3 more thousands people on RSF, and we will plat every hour between 7am to 1pm !

OL, i say since more time, spain and portugal, but italian too playng later then german and french...

auxilium torino wrote:OL, i say since more time, spain and portugal, but italian too playng later then german and french...

No one have to wake up at 6-7-8am in Italy, of course.
And I never go to bed at 3-4-5am ... of course.

i put 8 riders pro teams, like real race

auxilium torino wrote:i put 8 riders pro teams, like real race

as it was decided to reduce the squads ingame...it was said too, that we take real number + one to compensate the one legged leaders...

You can add Tour med btw. Will take place after all. 08.02.-12.02. Put it one day earlier ok to have a free day for the NCs.
And then you can happily redo some of the times

Team Franconia wrote:

auxilium torino wrote:i put 8 riders pro teams, like real race

as it was decided to reduce the squads ingame...it was said too, that we take real number + one to compensate the one legged leaders...

all stage are 120 to 160 km. all flat, and all teams ride for Sprint ...

so what?`because the profile is easier it's ok to overrule old decisions without discussion?

I think it wasnt exactly that way. More +1 for important races like cat 5-6.
Well actually i'm not sure there is any rule at all since its never followed anyway !

05 Feb Trofeo Palma de Mallorca Esp 1.1

I still don't think it's a good idea to give 20-21 less tours than all other times. They are the nr 1 times as far as I now. Yep, don't give them everything and all, let them occasionnally have to move to 19 and 22 too... but like the newest preview looks is too anti-20-21 somehow.

Hmmm just some thinking at this point.

There are 9 tours programmed (counting Tour Med and not calabria, I'm not sure what that is). Let's go for 9 for the example.
Every "period" should get how much... 8? 9? 7? (what is a period anyway ?) (1 less for the afternoon because they suck anyway ?)
Let's say 8...

Morning 8. How would you spread it ?
I think something like:
10h - 4/5/6
9h - 1/2
11h - 1/2
8h - I'm really not a fan

Do the same for all the periods. Then give every time of each period to a tour. But with consideration of certain uniqueness, such as algarve, which is in portugal, that should be ridden a bit later because portuguese people will probably enjoy riding it.

Actually I'm not sure if this makes anything more simple

But since people here seem to reason in periods, start the whole thing from that side instead of what is the actual aproach.

Afternoon:
14h - 2
15h - 3
16h - 2

Early evening:
17h - 2
18h - 3/4
19h - 2/3

Evening:
20h - 4
21h - 4

Late evening:
22h - 4/5
23h - 2/3
24h - 2

You can also add a separate 12-13h period (with less races in that case imo), and a 24h. This is of course open for discussion.

Give every tour a number (1 to 9). Write EVERY time-edition in a file and make a random function which gives to every 22h a 1 to 9 number.
Then you have to correct it for the specificity (portugal for example), and also to avoid 19h + 20h tours, which would be a bit silly with big gaps before and after it.
And after all, there can be a discussion about the periods, the number of editions at every time, the corrections you make. But at least there would be some kind of fix scheme behind it, and something to refer to.


Ignore this if it doesnt make sense, I dont know. Just tried to write a quick something.