April

[auxilium torino]

with all respekt to the Klasika primavera, i think that Appennino must be on 11 april, and Klasika on 10 only from div.5!
look only the starting list from both races...

[lesossies]

[Luna]

Are these the 2011 editions?

[lesossies]

Amstel, Paris Roubaix and LBL with new Infos updated
Wallonne should be the same.

[Luna]

Super. Thank you!

[RohrheimRadler]

Ok, doing the lesser important races



Profronde van Drenthe UCI 1.1. 16th April

[RohrheimRadler]

One Question about GP de Denain Porte du Hainaut , I tried to find info, but couldn't,
are there cobble parts in the race?????
on the homepage it says something like race after Paris - Roubaix, and somewhere in the route
direction Ahrenberg is mentioned, however the official itinaire doesn't give info about, if it has cobbles.

I'd like to draw, but don't want to mess it.

[olmania]

One Question about GP de Denain Porte du Hainaut , I tried to find info, but couldn't,
are there cobble parts in the race?????
on the homepage it says something like race after Paris - Roubaix, and somewhere in the route
direction Ahrenberg is mentioned, however the official itinaire doesn't give info about, if it has cobbles.

I'd like to draw, but don't want to mess it.

There are some pavé portions. But I'm not sure that they're all noticed (...

Anyway, what I've found http://asso.nordnet.fr/gpdenain/00_cour ... rt2010.pdf

In the PDF file, all the details for the different circuits used:

HAVELUY Entrée D440 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1,9 . . .11:24 . . .12:10 . . .12:09 . . .12:09 . . . . .195,2
Sortie secteur pavé, étape du Tour

So, only 1 pavé sector ?
Useless. This race is for sprinters anyway.

[Luna]

The finishing circuit lowers 10m per lap.

[lesossies]

Some infos to Romandie:
26.04-01.05
Times: 10,14,18,21,23
Stages:
1. Flat Prologue 3-4 km
2. Mountain stage / climb finish 172 km
3. 3 x Circuit 168 km (hilly ?)
4. flat 167 km
5. difficult TT 20km
6. flat 165 km

and

Giro del Trentino
19.04-22.04
Times 9,14,17,20,22
Stages
1.The 13.4km long opening time-trial will take the start from Riva del Garda ....Stage-1 of Giro del Trentino will feature a completely flat course

2. no infos ..... big climb again ?

3.The riders will have to climb Fai della Paganella twice in a day
It is a 10km long mountain which averages 7.4 percent gradient with a maximum of 12 percent

4.The legendary Italian mountain of Madonna di Campiglio will host the arrival of the fourth and final stage....

[Rockstar Inc]

romandie, some facts from the homepage...unfortunately only in german/france at the homepage

Dienstag 26 April, Prolog in Martigny. 3,5 km. Einzelzeitfahren in der Altstadt. Die Strecke ist fach aber sehr gewunden.

1. Etappe, Mittwoch 27 April, Martigny-Leysin, 171,5 km. Erste Bergankunft nach eine Steigung von 5 km. Das Feld wird ünber der Pillonpass von der Kanton Bern fahren. Die Fahrer werden auch ganz am Anfang nach Châtel-St-Denis hoch fahren müssen.

2. Etappe, Donnerstag 28 April, Romont-Romont, 168,3 km. Das Feld wird 3 Mal durch der Zentrum fahren. Wir sollten vielen Bewegungen sehen.

3. Etappe, Freitag 29 April, Thierrens-Neuchâtel 166,5 km. Diese Etappe ist ziemlich flach. Man muss auch an die Sprinters denken!

4. Etappe, Samstag 30 April, Aubonne-Signal-de-Bougy, 20,5 km Einzeilzeitfahren. Sehr harte Strecke für diese Zeitfahren!

5 Etappe, Sonntag 1. Mai, Champagne-Genève, 164,6 km. Die Tradition erwartet einen Massensprint. Man muss noch sehen ob die Sprinter über die Pässe zwischen Champagne und Genève vorne fahren können!

Les étapes:

Mardi 26 avril, prologue à Martigny. 3,5 km. Un chrono dans la vieille Ville de Martigny, sur un tracé plat mais sinueux.

1re étape, mercredi 27 avril, Martigny-Leysin, 171,5 km. Une arrivée au sommet au terme d'une montée de quelque 5 km après le passage du col du Pillon attaqué depuis le versant bernois. La course devrait être lancée rapidement car les coureurs devront aussi effectuer en début d'étape la montée vers Châtel-St-Denis.

2e étape, jeudi 28 avril, Romont-Romont, 168,3 km. La montée à trois reprises vers le centre de Romont: voilà une étape propice à un cyclisme de mouvement.

3e étape, vendredi 29 avril, Thierrens-Neuchâtel 166,5 km. Le parcours le moins accidenté de cette édition. Mais il fallait aussi penser aux sprinters!

4e étape, samedi 30 avril, Aubonne-Signal-de-Bougy, 20,5 km contre la montre. Dur, dur, ce chrono avec l'ascension vers le Signal-de-Bougy.

5e étape, dimanche 1er mai, Champagne-Genève, 164,6 km. La tradition veut que l'arrivée à Genève soit marquée par un sprint massif. Reste à savoir si les spécialistes de l'emballage passeront tous sans dommage les cols prévus entre Champagne et Genève.

[RohrheimRadler]

Dwars door Drenthe 2011 UCi 1.1. April 15th

[olmania]

I've checked trobonbon, some changes in the profile (compared to the RSF graph), but only between km 40 and 110, maybe 2kms cobbled more than the last year version. Not really important. Will not change the race. So, we can let the version of last year.

Tour of Gila looks cool to ride, even if it's not an important race.
GP Industria last day of April this year I guess.

Trentino ?

[skull]

Trentino ?

from the official site: "Looking forward to 35th Giro del Trentino’s official presentation, to be held on Monday, April 4th"
and btw Trentino deserves a upgrade to cat 3

[Luna]

02. April

6 editions Indurain. Close the race for Div (5?)-6. Else it could vreate veery small fields.

Close Mergelland for the higher Divs at the same time.

[lesossies]

Mergelland came later into and I didn´t adapt Induran .
Too late to change too much. I try a selection mixture.

[Robyklebt]

Het Mergelland 5-6 cat 2
Indurain 1-5 cat 3

Fleche d'Emeraude 5-6 cat 1
Vlaanderen 1-5 cat 6

The relations IMO don't fit.
MSR was 1-4, which I personnally thought was good. Now this month cat 6 seems to be 1-5 again... if you really want, ok, IMO as I said it makes more sense as 1-4, but 1-5... ok.
But then Mergellland-INdurain needs to be a bit different. 1-5 clear anyway. And Mergelland 3-6 or so. Even with Vlanderen 1-4 Indurain+Mergel 3-2 cat would be better as 1-5/3-6 actually.

[lesossies]

Het Mergelland 5-6 cat 2
Indurain 1-5 cat 3

Fleche d'Emeraude 5-6 cat 1
Vlaanderen 1-5 cat 6

The relations IMO don't fit.
MSR was 1-4, which I personnally thought was good. Now this month cat 6 seems to be 1-5 again... if you really want, ok, IMO as I said it makes more sense as 1-4, but 1-5... ok.
But then Mergellland-INdurain needs to be a bit different. 1-5 clear anyway. And Mergelland 3-6 or so. Even with Vlanderen 1-4 Indurain+Mergel 3-2 cat would be better as 1-5/3-6 actually.

I cannot decide me
MSR was 1-5 but it didnt really work I think.
1-4 maybe too selective, a lot of good div5 teams want to ride it too. On this way, these div5 teams can decide if they are fit for such hard races ( p.ex.: It seemed last month not impossible that Radler come in Div5).

No need to compare with Induran/Mergel ... some Induran times are 1-6 other times 1-6, for Mergel 1-6 or 5-6 ....
The distinction between these 2 races is another one as between Vlaanderen and St Malo.

[Alkworld]

I cannot decide me
MSR was 1-5 but it didnt really work I think.
1-4 maybe too selective, a lot of good div5 teams want to ride it too. On this way, these div5 teams can decide if they are fit for such hard races ( p.ex.: It seemed last month not impossible that Radler come in Div5).

Slightly off topic, but this might be a good time to mention an old idea again: Wild Cards for experienced teams, e.g. at least x races, average of y points, etc...
And Buhmann should anyway be able to sign in to any race he wants with a little database script

[Rockstar Inc]

Slightly off topic, but this might be a good time to mention an old idea again: Wild Cards for experienced teams, e.g. at least x races, average of y points, etc...

one point i'm really strictly against...

[olmania]

Opportunity for the X best teams in the Div 5 classification to ride it (top 10 or top 30 for example). But not a good idea I guess, they will score much more points than the other one, the gap will be bigger

[Robyklebt]

Mmh.

Somehow like this, D1-5 the whole thing makes... 0 sense.
It's just a present for D5, they are the only division who can chose what they want to ride.

Ok, for April now it's a bit late to exclude D5 from the classics, let's just admit it was a mistake letting them in, undeserved present for people who aren't good enough to be in D1-4.

But it's not too late to open up the parallel things for D4. Or and D3.

I mean, right now D5 is the ONLY Division who can chose what to ride. Is that really good?

Open the parallel races up for D4 in any case, if cat 2 for D3 as well.

Ah, and add for what division it is somewhere else as well, not only in the inscription. At least (not really enough but better than now) somewhere in the popups, much better in the overview.

[Luna]

I mean, right now D5 is the ONLY Division who can chose what to ride. Is that really good?

Basically it wouldn't be too bad, i guess. It's good when it's all not so hermetically. Let there be some kind of porosity.
RL comparison: Teams of the World Tour also doesn't strictly compete exclusively amongst themselves. In World Tour races there are always (well, most of the times) some ProConti Teams. At x.1 level even more. So ProConti teams can be found in World Tour races as well as in x.1 races (and even in x.2 races sometimes?).

[Robyklebt]

Yes, but only D5 has all the options tomorrow for example. That's not what happens in reality at all. It's not only ProConti that can choose.
Now IMO D5 is not ProfConti, but just Conti... so shouldn't be in Flanders. Too late for that, I think.
But then why forbid D4 teams the lower cat. race?

Forbid it for D1+2, yes. Let's force the elite to ride the high cat race, good. (unlike in RL they can't send 2 squads to 2 races) But let D3 (if the second race is important enough) and D4 (in any case, even if Flanders was 1-4) ride the lower cat race if they want.

So what I mean is

Flandern 1-5 ok (bah)
Emeraude 4-6

Paris-Roubaix 1-5 (bah)
Primavera 3-6

Then the 17th

Amstel 1-5
Tro Bro Leon: 3-6 or 2-6 (cat 2 like Primavera, but Amstel only 5, so allow one cat more, ok ok, cat 1 pavéstars like Olimpiu will be unhappy of course, but that's the price they pay for being in an elite team. You won't see Cancellara there either. )

So, change Trobonbon, right now it's on the 18th, but there really is no reason to put it there. Petit Paris Roubaix it says in the description. Ok, treat is as that. Like Primavera and Appennino it's a race for the second guard, good Italian participation in Appennino, good spanish one in Primavera, good french one in Trobonbon.

etc.

Don't just give D5 the choice, give it to others as well. Not to the top, if they are in the top of RSF with the current system they either have to be there (or a parallel tour....) or not ride. But give it to D3-4 mostly

[RohrheimRadler]

I can only nod, yes, to what roby just wrote, for me it's frustrating having to do Flanders and Roubaix with my team, I have no pave driver,
I made it to Div 3 in direct route, so no chance to build a team for that, and I'd prefer being able to ride in the lower cat races as they'd fit my team much better,
so now, I ride for 30th place or so tommorow, send the cheapest team possible to not loose money, and basically waste a day in RSF.