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We decided to go high on the Tour editions, so I see no reason why not 2 editions for each tour here. Just reduce the one-day race editions on the days with 3 parallel tours.

Money in small fields is still an issue, but it should not influence the race calendar. While big fields are more fun not many teams can change their race times radically. Less times will increase participation in one-day races but not lead to bigger tour fields, as most teams are not very flexible on times.

Edit: Looking at May, the 2 additions per tour are a bad idea of mine.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:05 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:01 am

You are right that in-game Austria is Kat 3 and Sibiu Kat 2 (because of tradition and popularity), but both are UCI Cat 2.1 actually. And also, both are parallel to TDF, so there's always the question, who misses the TDF and what do they want to ride... That's why I asked for opinions/preferences, but of course I know we have a good base of Austrian players.

And with so many tours designed already (good), it is much easier to offer some variety.

So I'm now thinking, for the small tours,

14 Austria || 21 Sibiu (can be Austria in the evening, too, if some teams prefer to ride that)
15-21 Ain
10-15-19-22 Wallonie || 20 Portugal

Czech not included for now, because Wallonie is finally a less mountainous tour. So unless lots of people want Czech at a specific time, it's not needed right now.

2 more days to discuss/finalize. 26th enough for the Final PDF.

Austria AND Ain afternoon is overdoing it! If Schartner prefers the morning for Austria you can of course stick to the original plan!

no thx - I will try to ride Le Tour - only wanted to tell my opinion about discussing about traditional races like Österreichrundfahrt. I have no Problem if there is only one edition - It just sounded to me like cat.3 was going to be deleted because of cat.2.
maybe I didnt understand, sorry

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:01 am

14 Austria || 21 Sibiu (can be Austria in the evening, too, if some teams prefer to ride that)
15-21 Ain
10-15-19-22 Wallonie || 20 Portugal

Like I already mentioned, I would like to do Portugal in the morning...or at least early afternoon (14h).
4 editions Wallonie against 1 portugal could be 3-2 maybe?

If I ride Wallonie (Not sure about that yet, but more interested in that than Portugal), I would definitely prefer a morning edition. 14h would also work, but 15h definitely not

i fully agree with zizou and Tuk.
A morninge edition or a 14h version would be awesome.

morning edition portugal I would ride too I think

So if OL wants to design 10 tours a month, we should take the whole thing to a higher level.
If OL can't keep up this design heat all year round, we should think about what the standard tours are.
Maybe we'll ride the UCI calendar year 2025.
It just depends on OL.

We discuss here a fundamental question. Should we try to ride all tours in the calendar where top teams may participate (2.1 and higher)? It would be a nice goal to aim at (even if we likely fail it, to be more precise the race organizers fail us). If yes, does this include non-European races as well (which adds another parallel tour in July)?

if Portugal in the morning is possible...
I prefer 9 over 10 (8 would be perfect, but guess thats impossible xD)

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:19 pm

So if OL wants to design 10 tours a month, we should take the whole thing to a higher level.
If OL can't keep up this design heat all year round, we should think about what the standard tours are.
Maybe we'll ride the UCI calendar year 2025.
It just depends on OL.

Sometimes I have time, sometimes I don't. I had a bit of time recently. nothing this week, I'll have a bit of time again next week (to finish portugal if no one did it already).

Also, it really depends on the availablity of info/details. When details are available a long time before and gpx file is reliable, it's perfect ! when info is super late (like some real tours in April if I remember well), it's a mess.

So I can't promise to be able to keep up with the tour design; as it does not only depend on my free time.

About having these tours in the calendar.
I love to ride real tours, even if low category. I find it super interesting when there is a diversity of profiles in the calendar (as most tours, especially big ones, have now really similar profiles imo). I know I can't ride GT cause 3 weeks at the same time is not possible; and I know that's the same for many players. But I like tours more than one day races. So, I'm happy to see tours in // of GT (and specialized UCI WT tours) in the calendar. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in that situation !

Personnaly, I'd like to rider some of these tours. The evening (20-21-22h), and sometimes afternoon when the tour is short are maybe the best times for me in summertime. But if I can't ride them cause the chosen time is different, still happy is some players can ride it !

Finally, I find it interesting to have lots or reactions and requests here about "more tours" especially knowing that the majority of players (and also the ones who rides almost only tours) are not active in the forum.

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:19 pm

So if OL wants to design 10 tours a month, we should take the whole thing to a higher level.
If OL can't keep up this design heat all year round, we should think about what the standard tours are.
Maybe we'll ride the UCI calendar year 2025.
It just depends on OL.

Think he should get fined, if he can’t keep the pace
Or even banned…so he has more time to design

Jokes aside, thanks OL for the work!

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:01 am

10-15-19-22 Wallonie || 20 Portugal

Portugal 20h would be perfect for me, i would take other (early) evening times too 18,19,20,21.

So a 9h Portugal is on the programm?

Final PDF online

In the end, went for the following. Hope this makes an interesting July calendar.

14 Austria || 21 Sibiu
10-21 Ain
14-19-22 Wallonie || 9-20 Portugal

The original preview was better.

Now you force the evening to ride a very minor race, Sibiu, while the afternoon gets a minor one... both Austria would have been better, fairer and more sensible.

And all afternoon stage races at 14h now, yes Wallonie request by Tukh, but somehow then ONLY having 14h for stage races in the afternoon is rather unfortunate.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:29 pm

The original preview was better.

Now you force the evening to ride a very minor race, Sibiu, while the afternoon gets a minor one... both Austria would have been better, fairer and more sensible.

And all afternoon stage races at 14h now, yes Wallonie request by Tukh, but somehow then ONLY having 14h for stage races in the afternoon is rather unfortunate.

Yes, that's right.
... but, capitalism needs more supply until the ceiling flies off.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:54 pm

Final PDF online

In the end, went for the following. Hope this makes an interesting July calendar.

14 Austria || 21 Sibiu
10-21 Ain
14-19-22 Wallonie || 9-20 Portugal

Why not! let's see how it goes !
Another option is to give one more time for austria (and hope that the usual gain of participants in July is here), while reducing the number of one day race to 3 when there is TDF/Austria/Sibiu.
Another option is to move Sibiu on different dates, so it does not overlap with Austria. Could be the same with Appenino or Ain. Moving one (or a couple) of these races to different dates, in the weekdays could be interesting too. As we usually have more participants in weekdays than weekends, right ?

All other one day races same as last year.






Then there's the Olympic ITT



Everything that is designed, is in the Calendar Preview in-game. If noone spots an error, will publish today in the evening or tomorrow morning.

Feel free to give feedback on the pavé sections. Didn't spend too much time checking them. Hoping to finish this tour before the month change

Wallonie done. Horrrible to design, probably a few inaccuracies