March 2012

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Re: March 2012

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:06 am

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Who is this idiotic RKL guy that adds imaginary mountains in the middle of a Race ?! Looks like the riders are using a tunnel !
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Re: March 2012

Post by Team ABC-Polsat » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:55 pm

they change it yesterday becaue in the downhill is it too dangerous because of ice

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Re: March 2012

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:33 pm

I know, just mobbing him ;)


But seriously now... VERY seriously. Can we have MSR from last year, PLEASE LESO.
First, because the design was good, I believe there was some discussion, in the end some decisions were made, and in the races it was possible to achieve several outcomes (flatsprinters, hillsprinters, classic attacks). So, simply KEEP that version, there should be no changes.

Furthermore, I think everybody used that version to decide their forms. It's very bad to give us another race in the last moment. Especially when the design is not very reliable.
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Re: March 2012

Post by lesossies » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:31 pm

NoPikouze wrote: VERY seriously. Can we have MSR from last year, PLEASE LESO.
I dont see the problem.
Last year 64552
This year 45462
Both are OK and not so different.
Maybe it is a wandering dune.... I dont have anytime this week, else I would ride the Cipressa myself and look which is more real.

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Re: March 2012

Post by Quick » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:37 pm

lesossies wrote:
NoPikouze wrote: VERY seriously. Can we have MSR from last year, PLEASE LESO.
I dont see the problem.
Last year 64552
This year 45462
Both are OK and not so different.
Maybe it is a wandering dune.... I dont have anytime this week, else I would ride the Cipressa myself and look which is more real.
So, if you dont see a problem, just believe the other 5 managers, who see a problem. No? Why?Because of Aux?...ah- dont forget to give him italy for the WC. :roll:
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Re: March 2012

Post by olmania » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:52 pm

Leso, come on !
A 6 at the bottom, and a 6 at the summit = really different for the sieb !

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Re: March 2012

Post by lesossies » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:28 pm

The 9% part is in reality at the end/3rd begin/4th km.
I hat to decide between:
iBan : 64552...
and Aux : 45453....

I saw hat a 6% belongs in the uphill.

It seems to me that the best place is where I placed it .

But, I can take a new look above it.

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Re: March 2012

Post by Hansa » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:26 am

If you take a look there is the hardest climb above a km really earlie

look here is the 6%(5.8) at the first km

http://www.climbbybike.com/de/Profil.as ... ntainID=29

But if you look here you see the 1. km only is 5.1% so only a 5% an the 6 % are at the 3rd km

http://06.live-radsport.ch/image_15499/ ... 45b9d2e1d0
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Re: March 2012

Post by lesossies » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:18 pm

I rided and analyzed it yesterday again.
unfiltered:
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If you take unfiltered the 5 kms form 20-220m height you get 20-60-110-151-207-220 -> 4,5,4,6,1
If you take unfiltered the 5 kms form 40-240m height you get 40-92-117-182-212-240 -> 5,3,6-7(?),3,3
medium you get 4,4,4,5,1

The old profile (Iban) was not adapted to RSF but the same like "salite.ch" : 6,4,5,5,2.

I think ,the T4B profile is to be preferred.
the 5,3,6,3,3 or 5,3,7,3,3 could be OK to.

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Re: March 2012

Post by Quick » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:46 pm

I dont want to annoy you leso, i just think without annoying you, you would do nothing. So is go on annoying you. ^^ So, whats your plan? Ride with the aux-profile, with the iban-profile or mix it up?
...ah, and when can we choose our nations for the WC?
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Re: March 2012

Post by GengisKhan » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:26 pm

Critérium International 2012 online. I'll design in the evening, except if someone has already begun to do so ?

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Re: March 2012

Post by olmania » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:22 pm

GengisKhan wrote:Critérium International 2012 online. I'll design in the evening, except if someone has already begun to do so ?
I wanted to do this. But I also have to work. So I let you do this, if you want me to check this, then send me an MP with the % of the climbs ;)
You can have a look to last year profile, maybe similar hills ?

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Re: March 2012

Post by auxilium torino » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:24 pm

OL, draw you Normandie?
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Re: March 2012

Post by olmania » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:54 pm

auxilium torino wrote:OL, draw you Normandie?
They told me that's not necessary to draw it this year. ;)

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Re: March 2012

Post by lesossies » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:42 am

WM/CM are on !
MSR will be 5,3,6,4,2
Normandie not necessary, we have Catlalunya and Coppi e Bartali + Criterium International

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Re: March 2012

Post by GengisKhan » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:30 pm

Critérium International 2012:

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Re: March 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:35 am

1 Is this now the final MSR version online? You were juggling around here with all kind of different numbers, which one is it now? The one that is online? Or some of the numbers you proposed here?
2 The minute tact is horrible. km 271 when the decisive sieb will be at 259? 258 would make more sense. It's 6 minutes 30 seconds difference btw. Ok, maybe not put it at 258 ugly when it's at a km that is that badly designed. 256 is better.
3 Can you write something else than this really ugly milanosanremo on top of it . Milano-Sanremo. Torino-Sanremo Cremona-Frosinone. A race with tunnels. Whatever you like, but not milanosanremo What's this?
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Re: March 2012

Post by NoPikouze » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:22 am

What is this strange tour (Istrian) in the middle of the season that appeared out of nowhere ?
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Re: March 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:13 am

Can I answer? Yes, thanks.

Istrian tour are Tour in Croatia. By Aux are designed, and how ever excellent designed. Reality up to be the man to the ever road to the point and faithfully copied the tunnel. In reality are that a fecal race, that from 15. to 18 takes place. But since designer good riders for this tour have, takes place at RSF 14-16. So that you both Istrian and Sanremo ride can! How ever have designer think he are better than average user, and instead that in public forum to post, have he that by PM with lesossies talk and lesossies send. Ever the same thing. Ever think he for him are communication with normal user not necessary.
Thank you.

PS: Criticism is naturally not honest criticism, but personal revenge field train by stupid manager how NoPik and Roby. Ever the same, ever make tired. If designer not Aux are, would nobody something ask. Ever racism game.
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Re: March 2012

Post by GengisKhan » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:06 am

Robyklebt wrote: How ever have designer think he are better than average user, and instead that in public forum to post, have he that by PM with lesossies talk and lesossies send. Ever the same thing. Ever think he for him are communication with normal user not necessary.
Thank you.
Oh, is it why the Miyazaki ITT has been replaced by Otago ITT ?

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Re: March 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:29 am

Very likely. Aux' usual PM policy. Probably found a race called "Otago ITT" somewhere, which will probably be a 1.2 race, or an amateur race, or even a club race. Designed, it, PM to lesossies, look, it's a real race, we want the real calender, better put that one in....

Mmh, first search didn't tell me which outstanding race we are supposed to race now to make Aux happy.... only thing I found is this:

http://www.cyclingotago.co.nz/customdat ... OrgID=6359

Is much shorter... a probably he just made it longer, it's real after all, ever to the man to the point faithfully copied reality. :? You can do whatever you want if you just claim it's a) real b) perfectly designed...

Well, maybe there's another Otago ITT that is as long as ours... will be as important as the one in the link. But... REAL (shit)
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Re: March 2012

Post by Bear » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Robyklebt wrote:1 Is this now the final MSR version online? You were juggling around here with all kind of different numbers, which one is it now? The one that is online? Or some of the numbers you proposed here?
2 The minute tact is horrible. km 271 when the decisive sieb will be at 259? 258 would make more sense. It's 6 minutes 30 seconds difference btw. Ok, maybe not put it at 258 ugly when it's at a km that is that badly designed. 256 is better.
3 Can you write something else than this really ugly milanosanremo on top of it . Milano-Sanremo. Torino-Sanremo Cremona-Frosinone. A race with tunnels. Whatever you like, but not milanosanremo What's this?
I think its ugly too. Please change it.

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Re: March 2012

Post by lesossies » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:48 am

NoPikouze wrote:What is this strange tour (Istrian) in the middle of the season that appeared out of nowhere ?
was a very cheap tour and it was a good place I found , but you are right, it had been better to discuss it before in the forum.

And the new ITT was cheap too, so I could economize the other one for later ... for me the same but if there are important reasons I can allways change it.
I only didnt want to put a supplementary ITT in the calendar.

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Re: March 2012

Post by Quick » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:24 pm

lesossies wrote:WM/CM are on !
MSR will be 5,3,6,4,2
Normandie not necessary, we have Catlalunya and Coppi e Bartali + Criterium International

Would you please be so kind and update the MSR-version soon? I would prefer to SEE the real RSF-profile days before the race...
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Re: March 2012

Post by Team ART » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:56 pm

Just one little question:

Coppi e Bartali at 12/17/20/22/23 h


Makes this sense? What about a morning-race?


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