May 2013

[lesossies]

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/may2013.pdf

01-05 May 4 Jours de Dunkerque / Tour du Nord-pas-de-Calais -> leso
01 May Rund um Frankfurt
03-05 May Szlakiem Grodów Piastowskich -> leso
04-26 May Giro d'Italia -> Alkworld/Cerro/Roby/leso
04 May Vuelta a la Comunidad de Madrid
10-12 May Tour de Picardie
11-12 May Vuelta Asturias
12-19 May Tour of California -> Pokemon
12 May Rund um Köln
15-19 May Circuit de Lorraine Professionnel
15-19 May Glava Tour of Norway -> leso
19 May Rund um die braunkohle
21-26 May? Tour de Belgique - Ronde van België
22-26 May Bayern-Rundfahrt -> leso
25 May Grand Prix de Plumelec-Morbihan
26 May Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin
30 May-01 Jun Tour of Estonia -> Hunsrück

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[AlmavivaItalia]

Can i Ask for Changing Morning giro from 10 to 9am?

[vagaderi]

Also i will prefer 9am

[Avaya]

make a poll, if enough vote for yes, 9am I think leso will do it.

[AlmavivaItalia]

As i told last year: Giro, for an Italian User, should be one of the main targets. If he purpose a change, it should be considered (not forced change to his desires), above all if the change is a normally playable time (i'm not asking for 7am or 4am). If it's too early, once in the year, if possible, non-italian users have to adapt.

So in the end, poll is not needed IMO. (i can do as last year, riding other things if i think it will be difficult)

[Avaya]

I know that Giro for Italian is a main target. But imagine there are normally 10-15 people who want to ride Giro at 10AM and they simply cannot ride at 9AM, and there are 2-3 Italian Guys who want to ride at 9AM... I would implement the Giro at 10AM, that's why I would make a poll. Maybe the 10-15 People have no Problems to ride the Giro at 9AM, but we don't know. And a Giro with 15 People is far better than a Giro with 8 or something like that.

[bergwerk cycling]

a wish from myself ... California tour 9/17/20/22

3 starts in the late afternoon + evening
no start in the afternoon at 14-15-16 o'clock ... perhaps possible to change 1 time?
thks

[Pokemon Club]

Maybe the discussion about Giro can be on a topic "Giro 2013" and not on the May calendar, no ?

[Pokemon Club]

Well California profil is out

http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/stages.html

[sylvainmeteo]

Belgique 19h/23h, I think it would be good to have at least 1 start at 20 or 21h, 19h is too early and 23h is far too late for me for example (and I'm probably not the only one...)

[gaurain rx]

So times, Gaurain proposal would be again, less "occurence" of each tour! Why? To have more splitted groups (group 1-2-3) Which I think would benefit to everybody.

So, Giro, 5 time Imo would do the job I think : Morning, Afternoon and then cut one of the 4 in the (18-20-22-24) or adapt it (19-21-23 or 19-22-24 or 18-21-23) ... I dunno but 5 times imo seems enough.

Then Parallel Tours :

Dunkerque : 4 Times

Picardie : 3
Californie : 4
Norway : 3

Bayern : 4
Belgique : 3

This would mean approx 17 possible time/day (counting also one day race) which is already a big amount but a bit less than your previsional planning (20 t/d) (It would be me to decide, I would only propose 3 time for each parallel Tour to Giro).

So, Gaurain proposal :

GIro : 9(10) - 15 - 19 - 21 - 24
DUnkerque : 10(9) - 13 - 18 - 22
Pia : 11 - 17 - 21

California : 10 - 16 - 20 - 23
Picardie : 14 - 18 - 21
Norway : 11 - 19 - 24

Bayern : 9 - 15 - 20 - 23
Belgique : 11 - 17 - 21

[lesossies]

I´m not sure, it would help a lot for the Giro.
It is for every team difficult enough to find the right riding time for a 3 weeks tour, with 5 instead 6 times is it more difficult. I would let the 6 times.
We could maybe cut by the other tours. Norway and Picardie only 3 times for me OK.
Belgique only 3 times ? I´m not sure

[sylvainmeteo]

So times, Gaurain proposal would be again, less "occurence" of each tour! Why? To have more splitted groups (group 1-2-3) Which I think would benefit to everybody.

So, Giro, 5 time Imo would do the job I think : Morning, Afternoon and then cut one of the 4 in the (18-20-22-24) or adapt it (19-21-23 or 19-22-24 or 18-21-23) ... I dunno but 5 times imo seems enough.

Then Parallel Tours :

Dunkerque : 4 Times

Picardie : 3
Californie : 4
Norway : 3

Bayern : 4
Belgique : 3

This would mean approx 17 possible time/day (counting also one day race) which is already a big amount but a bit less than your previsional planning (20 t/d) (It would be me to decide, I would only propose 3 time for each parallel Tour to Giro).

So, Gaurain proposal :

GIro : 9(10) - 15 - 19 - 21 - 24
DUnkerque : 10(9) - 13 - 18 - 22
Pia : 11 - 17 - 21

California : 10 - 16 - 20 - 23
Picardie : 14 - 18 - 21
Norway : 11 - 19 - 24

Bayern : 9 - 15 - 20 - 23
Belgique : 11 - 17 - 21

We will have almost nobody in Nowray, 24h there's not a lot managers who are online, the rest isn't that bad, but 1 start time more for some tours also not bad

[lesossies]

[Rockstar Inc]

We will have almost nobody in Nowray, 24h there's not a lot managers who are online, the rest isn't that bad, but 1 start time more for some tours also not bad

too earn more f'n money? 24h isn't bad attended at all...

i like the proposal from gaurain...

[Robyklebt]

The Gaurain proposal of course is complete shit.

Of 8 races in the parallel programm the afternoon misses.... 6
The morning misses... 1
I could go and post some numbers that actually show that the participation in morning and afternoon races (9-11 and 14-16) is pretty much identical. Won't bother doing it, since I have done it often enough.
And still we get the afternoon who is supposed to lose 6 of 8 races. 1 of 8 for the morning. 2 of 8 for the early evening (17-19). Early evening has a bit better participation than morngin and afternoon I think, so less is ok... but this proposal up there just is pure shit.

All races 6 times would be better than this.
Or more or less that number (which is good, I'd even go for only 3 Bayern as well), but kind of a more equal distribution.

[lesossies]

[Bear]

Too much races as most of the time. In the end we have to deal with Norway-Groups of less than 5 teams, the same with Bayern, Belgium, or whatever it will be. Ok, some people think, "I dont see a big problem", but I am tired of this shit. I cant ride the Giro. But I am really pissed when I ride a short tour in May and there are just a hand full of opponents. That's not how I want to play this game. And I think that, at some point, we have to care about teams who want to have competition instead of making easy money.

[Avaya]

with 5 teams there is no easy money, as u will only get half the amount of money. but yeah I have to admit, that there are a lot of tours, but in the past it was the same, and it seemed to work there.

But I don't understand when we have 3 Tours at the sametime in May,why Leso wont introduce turkey at 21th april,so there would be 2 tours at the same time..

[gaurain rx]

The Gaurain proposal of course is complete shit.

Of 8 races in the parallel programm the afternoon misses.... 6

All races 6 times would be better than this.
Or more or less that number (which is good, I'd even go for only 3 Bayern as well), but kind of a more equal distribution.

1. I count 3 : Piatow/Belgique and Norway. Rest as a time for gap between 13 and 16. Still a lot but still not 6;

2. At least there are 2 people (or 1,5, don't always understand the Roby statements) who are for less proposed time, I'm glad to read it

[Robyklebt]

GIro : 9(10) - 15 - 19 - 21 - 24
DUnkerque : 10(9) - 13 - 18 - 22
Pia : 11 - 17 - 21

California : 10 - 16 - 20 - 23
Picardie : 14 - 18 - 21
Norway : 11 - 19 - 24

Bayern : 9 - 15 - 20 - 23
Belgique : 11 - 17 - 21

IMo with better times it's a good start

Giro ok IMO 5 enough, but if leso insists on 6.. .bah

Then
4 main parallel tours. One way of doing it would be give them 4 times each, on main times. Would mean of the 5 "main" times, 4 lose on one of the tours. + maybe add a 5th out to put in a 12/13 one as an outsider time.

Something like this...

Dunkerque: 9/10-17-20-23 afternoon out
California: 14-18-21-24 morning out
Of course here the late evening is really lucky, it doesn't get better participation than morning/afternoon

Belgique 9/10-14-19-23 evening out
Bayern 12-16-21-24 early evening out. morning out.

Not perfect since really the morning or late evening should lose out on Dunk or Cali... weakest times are morning afternoon and late evening... let 2 of those 3 lose oout on the the non parallel things...

I off course like the option Bel/Bav only 3 each too...
10-18-21 and 15-20-23 or something
Evening gets both, all others lose out once. Then adapt Dunkerque and California so that the "losers" are the normally weakest times. morning, afternoon and late evening. 11-17-20-23 and 9-14-18-20 or so...
Parellel parallel tours then? 3 absolute maximum. And can or should be on "off times" as well maybe. 12/13, 8. why not.

argh, restart with the 4-4-3-3

Dunk: 11-17-20-23 afternoon out. parallel polish stuff: 8-14-20
California: 9/10-14-19-21 late evening out. parallel Picardie 12/13-16-22 no morning no early evening, no late evening and Norway 11-19-24 no afternoon, no evening...
Bel/Bav see above the 3 thing version.

Something like that. Yes, evening, 20-22 (especially 20+21 I guess are the best visited and can have, SHOULD have more times, so even if they get all it should be large enough groups, but for the rest spread the lack of choice. don't jump the afternoon and say: Look, we have less times now, cool eh?

Some shit like above, maybe already doesn't make sense anymore since I keep correcting stuff and have lost the overview... but the principle should be understandble... ok, not for all here, that's obvious, but for leso.

ps: Gaurainpost while I was writing: Oh, Gaurain counts 17 as afternoon. Fuck that. So the RSF afternoon now has 4 hours. thanks. Afternoon people are expected to have a 4 hour flexibility span, while others just have a 2 hours span? Superb. As I said, fuck that. I'd rather have everything offered every single hour than taking it up the RSF-ass with those never ending "let's have less races and cut mostly in the afternoon, let's make the afternoon longer too, so we can say it wasn't cut" proposals and finally cuts.

Oh, novel idea. let's make it early morning 8/9, morning 10/11, noon 12/13 early afternoon 14/15, late afternoon 16/17, early evening 18/19, evening 20/21, late evening 22/23,really really late 24/1
Now we have 9 main times. Good. Maybe we could have the Giro 9 times. And then let's go cutting evenly for the rest.

[gaurain rx]

ps: Gaurainpost while I was writing: Oh, Gaurain counts 17 as afternoon. Fuck that. So the RSF afternoon now has 4 hours. thanks. Afternoon people are expected to have a 4 hour flexibility span, while others just have a 2 hours span? Superb. As I said, fuck that. I'd rather have everything offered every single hour than taking it up the RSF-ass with those never ending "let's have less races and cut mostly in the afternoon, let's make the afternoon longer too, so we can say it wasn't cut" proposals and finally cuts.

I never wrote 17h was afternoon... But ok, let's count.

How much time have morning? 911 (so what is 8 and 12?)
Afternoon? 14-16 (what's up with 13h?)
For the rest, seems that everything rolls (every hour are "assimilated").

Anyway, didn't really work that much on my "practical" proposal, and so didn't realize I was hurting so much the afternoon.

[team fl]

12h is definitly not morning.

[lesossies]

I start with Dunkerque

[Avaya]

@ leso:

dunkerque stage 4 and 5 are the same?