July 2026

[Gipfelstuermer]

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July 2026

Races to be designed:
Tour de France >>> see Le Tour 2026 Thread
Sibiu Cycling Tour >>> Zappes
Tour of Austria >>> NML
Tour de l Ain >>> Zappes
Tour of Denmark

Races to be checked:
Midden-Brabant Poort Omloop
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Hungary
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Slovakia
Clásica de Ordizia - Ordiziako Klasikoa
Clasica Castilla y Leon

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GREEN = DONE

[Zappes Raiders]

I have done Sibiu this afternoon.

Stage 1a:

I tried to do the circuit aproppriately. Unfortunately it has a length of .5km so I decided to cutout 1km on the 2nd and 3rd lap. Final is a -1 -1 2. I ignorted the cobbles in the end as it is just very light cobbles on the final 200m.

Stage 1b:

The circuit is pretty much straight forward - the issue are the cobbles. The first km is about 700m cobbles I would give ** as well. Second km is also about 700m more easy cobbles. Third km is only cobbles on the last 300m. I decided for * on the first 2km

Stage 2:

Not much to say. Took nearly everything out of the GPX. The final is 2 3 6 which matches the final steeper meters better. In reality the final 1km has 55hm

Stage 3:

Not very steep but long climb. Final 5 6 7

Stage 4:

Matched the second half of the stage to the first as it is an out-and-back-loop. Final is -1 0 2

[lennylenny]

Races to be checked:
Midden-Brabant Poort Omloop - new route, mention 2 cobble sectors in big loop (x3) and then 4 times small loop in the end
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Hungary - no info i could find yet
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Slovakia - same route as last year
Clásica de Ordizia - Ordiziako Klasikoa - new, but similar route, just no more small climb and big climb with some extra wobbly terrain between the mountain prize and the downhill
Clasica Castilla y Leon - can't find info

[Robyklebt]

Lippe Tour?

If it's for D6, ok. If it's for everybody very bad.

[Nomorelulz]

Lippe Tour - tbh I like it. People wont skip TdF for that, but those that cant ride it can have some fun there.

It only bothers me to have 1 edition and then at 20h though, but probably best like this.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Lippe Tour?

If it's for D6, ok. If it's for everybody very bad.

Idea is to offer something to TdF hype newcomers/comebackers, so yes, making it D6 only would be consistent with that approach.

[flockmastoR]

Lippe Tour?

If it's for D6, ok. If it's for everybody very bad.

Idea is to offer something to TdF hype newcomers/comebackers, so yes, making it D6 only would be consistent with that approach.

I like that idea

[bergwerk cycling]

than plz make 2 Lippetours ... one for Div. 6, one for the others

not really everyone have time and fun to play over 3 weeks at the the same time

[Nomorelulz]

Tour of Austria -> I would design it, if no one has started yet.

[flockmastoR]

Tour of Austria -> I would design it, if no one has started yet.

Finish at the Grossglockner? Usually they just pass it 150 km before the end of the stage.

[Zappes Raiders]

Tour de l'Ain is done by me. I can post the stages here later

[Nomorelulz]

Tour of Austria also done now:

Worked with GPX from their Website / their link to https://ridewithgps .com/, also they have a detailed roadbook and images of the climbs on their page, but the detailed gpx on ridewithgps helps.







Open for Reviews!

[Robyklebt]

Just to reiterate: Offering Lippetour to more than D6 for me would be a mistake. It's not like there's no stage races parallel to the Tour de France already. (and even if there wasn't, offering a fantasy tour in season would be a break with tradition at c4f (has been broken before of course, we can also get rid of that too, even if I think it's nice to ride real stage races only during the season)
Offering it to D6 on the other hand makes sense. Ok, it's maybe a bit too long, IMO a 4 day tour would have been better. But we need to offer something to D6 as well, learning from the big teams while getting regularly beaten is nice, but it's nicer to have a few races with chances, against no "superteams". We're for mysterious reason not offering any 1 day race D6 only editions, which for me would be basic "service", at least now give them a D6 tour.

[Radunion]

If we do not want fantasy tours during the real reason, there would be the option to ride this 2.2 tour in Poland instead (https://dookolamazowsza.pl/en/). While there are no profiles available yet, in-game this should be a pure sprinter's tour. There are four stages, starting on 23.07. I believe riding tours that do not make the cut on the calendar or are 2.2 as cat 6 (or for teams will less than x total races or points) makes more sense than fantasy tours during the real season.

[Robyklebt]

I have no big problems, if any at all, with fantasy tours for D6, newcomers. It's for D1-5 that it's bad (the real 2.2. race of course not better)

[Gipfelstuermer]

there would be the option to ride this 2.2 tour in Poland instead (https://dookolamazowsza.pl/en/). While there are no profiles available yet, in-game this should be a pure sprinter's tour. There are four stages, starting on 23.07.

Ok for me if someone designs it. 4-days instead of 6-days and I can reassure RKL that it's for D6.

[Nomorelulz]

1. I Like the idea to include Lippe Tour parallel to TDF for teams not able to ride TDF. And with it being cat 1 I think it would be okay.


2. I do see a point in offering races for rookies, but in my opinion with our current rookies we are beyond that point that this helps them much. Especially when most of the experienced teams will be at TdF anyway. If we get a new wave, it makes sense I guess. Without it, I dont see the point parallel to a GT.

Im also against a tour for div 6 only, I think 1 day races for only div 6 achieve the same result or an even better one -> they can change their team each day according to the profile, mistakes from the day(s) before dont hurt that much. AND with a tour for div 6 we risk situations that we had in april, where comebackers totally demolished fields and profitted from these situations.



So in my opinion:

If we dont want to include a fantasy tour in real season -> dont offer it in general.

If we get a new wave of newcomers, include at least 2 div6 editions for one day races in July per day.

[Bugatti]

I completely agree with NML.

A decision should be made soon as to whether this will be a Div 6-only tour. Since this isn't clear from the calendar (at least to me).

[Nomorelulz]

I completely agree with NML.

A decision should be made soon as to whether this will be a Div 6-only tour. Since this isn't clear from the calendar (at least to me).

I want to add here that I hope every opinion for calendar planning is valued the same, several people here already said they would be in favour of it being an open tour for everyone. Please keep that in mind, of course in the end its Gips decision as calendar planner.

And I do understand the argument: "We have never done this in the past", but we should be generally open to change things in a 20y old game. I dont really care about a fantasy tour in July, but I mean this in general.

[flockmastoR]

I completely agree with NML.

A decision should be made soon as to whether this will be a Div 6-only tour. Since this isn't clear from the calendar (at least to me).

I want to add here that I hope every opinion for calendar planning is valued the same, several people here already said they would be in favour of it being an open tour for everyone. Please keep that in mind, of course in the end its Gips decision as calendar planner.

And I do understand the argument: "We have never done this in the past", but we should be generally open to change things in a 20y old game. I dont really care about a fantasy tour in July, but I mean this in general.

- It is not a popular vote. Everybody can tell his/her opinion, the better the arguments the more influence it will have.
- What makes you believe that not every opinion is valued the same? Because thats what you implying here.
- If you want to overturn a tradition in calendar rules, you might need stronger arguments than when you want to switch a starting time from 10 to 9.

For me this are two different topics that you kind of mash together
1) The old-but-gold we need more tours issue
2) The division 6 only races

to come to the conclusion to throw away the "no fantasy tours during real calendar" rule. If you don't care, well. Others do care.

IMO we should offer Division 6 only races (or races for teams with <xx races if thats a possibility). Some teams might have learned already a lot, but might not have a team to compete with a bergwerk Jeff Smart team/manager combination. So offering them the opportunity to a restricted stage race can be beneficial for many of them. If not, they can still ride the Tour with the big boys or Austria and Sibiu against the non GT riding teams. Maybe someone who started in 2019 cannot understand, but in my memory these races where very popular amongst newcomers.

[Gipfelstuermer]

If we get a new wave, it makes sense I guess. Without it, I dont see the point parallel to a GT.

Yes, this is the whole point. I explain my reasoning.

1.) There will probably be a wave. Not a TikTok wave. Only a TdF wave. It might end up being a tiny wave, but there will be some people googling "cycling game" or remembering this game during TdF, meaning these teams had no time to sign up for TdF or Sibiu+Austria.
2.) So these players can only ride one day races parallel to TdF, unless we offer an additional tour.
3.) The situation is different for someone who decides before TdF that they prefer Sibiu/Austria/One Day Races, because they had a choice. If you are a newcomer on e.g. 9th of July, you did not really have the choice.
4.) Therefore, it would be a nice-to-have (not a must-have) to offer some stage race to these newcomers/comebackers during TdF, without them having to compete with Div1-5 teams.

Perhaps you can explain where you disagree with this.

[Robyklebt]

Ok for me if someone designs it. 4-days instead of 6-days and I can reassure RKL that it's for D6.

Good good, reassuring me works. Many other posts aren't reassuring.

On the real tour vs 6 day fantasy, the 6 day fantasy looks way more interesting than a 4 day sprint tour to be honest... And since it's there, looks like it will be hard to use anyway, why not use it. Could have used the Greek tour I proposed for May btw....A D6 only tour woudn't have been wrong their either.

2. I do see a point in offering races for rookies, but in my opinion with our current rookies we are beyond that point that this helps them much. Especially when most of the experienced teams will be at TdF anyway. If we get a new wave, it makes sense I guess. Without it, I dont see the point parallel to a GT.

Help them much in what sense? Help them win races, it would help.
c4f is fun, what is fun about it? Learning? Winning? Trying to win?. I think the most fun part is trying to win, even more than winning. But if you keep trying with a big experience disadvantage, that gap closes fast from some point on, but it is there, it can be frustrating, I imagine, don't really know, after all I win all the time and have an experience advantage

And now look at the rookies with less than 100 races in D6 that would stay there for July. The first 10 of those
4 wins: 1 (pre wave team, might be a comebacker)
1 win: 3 (1 of them is banned)
No win: 4
Win(s) only in Group 2 or 3: 2

Only wins counted, some have other palmares entries. 6 of 10 are winless in open races.

That's the 10 best non-promoting new D6 teams. There's actually even some that will promote winless. That means they need "help" in getting some success. Which helps for motivation. And it's not even only about winning, it's about shaping races. About being more than the overpowered under-experienced newcomer, that is in the defensive most of the time. That can only react really, or act if the big teams "allow" it. Give them a race in a more even playing field and they can shape the race, which is fun. Remember the countless race-shaping Lüthi-Lanfredini attacks? Fun!! It's also easier to develop your own racing style when the field is more even. Right now we're almost forcing the newcomers into a mold, there's only a limited way of racing that makes sense for them. Give them the chance to ride without interference from us., let them ride wildly, let them ride how they want, not how they are forced to by the veterans that shape the race. We have the numbers in D6 for that right now. Even if we would do the sensible thing and add 10 or 20 teams to D1-5, but seems that is stuck somewhere...

So for me it's clear, D6 should regularly get D6 one day editions, same race as everybody else. Difficult during stage races, but even then it would be worth a try to occasionally offer one. See how it goes. During times with no stage race, more often. Doesn't need to be every day, but 3-4 times a week? But for me that should be standard by now, 2 months after the wave joined and we don't have D6 editions? Mind boggling.

And I'll go further: Real races, UCI 1.2 like Brescia, the Visegrad races should be restricted. No D1, D2, D3. Could be D4-6, or only D6 ok for me as well. In reality World Tour teams aren't allowed to participate either. No Pogacar, no Vingegaard, no Van der Poel, no Remco, no Wout there (for those that don't know real cycling, these are like Iskanderov, Lafuente, Winzenried, Lanfredini and Kebede, real stars) Why should we send our heroes there?
And since I hope that by August we'll have possibly cat 5 classics and for sure monuments restricted to the elite (D1-5) (and parallel races, either real ones on the same day, depending on category then open, or D6 only (or D5-6) fantasy) only fair to give D6 their own real races where the big guys can't join. But ok, D4-6 would be acceptable as well.

Im also against a tour for div 6 only, I think 1 day races for only div 6 achieve the same result or an even better one -> they can change their team each day according to the profile, mistakes from the day(s) before dont hurt that much. AND with a tour for div 6 we risk situations that we had in april, where comebackers totally demolished fields and profitted from these situations.

Yes we had a limited number of people doing that, D6 veterans who took advantage of their advantage. We had more nice ones actually. And why wouldn't those same guys not dominate 1 day races then? Changes little.

Pro regular D6 editions starting as soon as possible
pro UCI cat 1.2 races restricted (D4-6 or D5-6 or D6)
Pro Lippe only for D6
Against more stage races for D1-5. Especially parallel to GTs. It also has the potential to make some vulture managers skip the TdF, which otherwise they might ride, to profit from the weaker opposition in 3 stage races parallel to the TdF.

IMO we should offer Division 6 only races (or races for teams with <xx races if thats a possibility). Some teams might have learned already a lot, but might not have a team to compete with a bergwerk Jeff Smart team/manager combination. So offering them the opportunity to a restricted stage race can be beneficial for many of them. If not, they can still ride the Tour with the big boys or Austria and Sibiu against the non GT riding teams. Maybe someone who started in 2019 cannot understand, but in my memory these races where very popular amongst newcomers.

More concise then me, but says something similar. Restriction by races would work too btw, but is Alk motivated to program something that then the calendar managers might refuse to use again? Probably D6 easier, no further programming involved.

[lennylenny]

Do we want Field splits?
the 4 editions in the evening suggest no, so with the current numbers in one-day races without a parallel tour in morning and afternoon it could open the chance for a morning-lunch-afternoon time split for the days without any tour
so like 8-10 morning, 11-13 lunch and 14-16 afternoon

[Bugatti]

If I got it right, schappy is now doing some work here too?

5, 6, 7 is a race with pave
8, 9, 10 are sprintstages (good to finally have some )

Can we mix that a bit to not have the same typ of races in a row?