MAY 2020

[CircleCycle]

What makes you sure btw, that the Giro2020,ridden in autumn, will be exactly in the same format than it was planned for may? Newspapers write already it could be shortened.

[IDF]

Option 2 for sure.

[Pokemon Club]

The problem I see is that we have already past the half of April. When do you want to put a fantasy Giro online?
It is not like the guys interested can search profiles online like with real races. So it has to be online earlier than a real race imo.

I don't know what life Gip has apart of C4F but to design a 21 stage fantasy GT in less than 2 weeks is not that easy I think.

I would prefer to ride the Giro as planned and then decide later on with enough time how to continue once we know if there will be a Giro at all this year or the same profiles in 2021 (assuming C4F is still playable then )

I am quite sure I can draw from A to Z a Fantasy Giro and post it before tonight

[Gipfelstuermer]

I don't know what life Gip has apart of C4F but to design a 21 stage fantasy GT in less than 2 weeks is not that easy I think.

Haha, actually I work full-time 40h / week and currently with covid-19 probably more like 50-60h / week. But I can design very fast because I build myself an Excel-Tool which is even faster and more precise than the online tool...
Oh, and all my free-time on the weekend is girlfriend, cycling and cycling4freaks due to the lockdown

But actually my opinion counter is:

Real Giro in May 2020: Jäger, Poke, Gala, Falkenbier, CircleCycle, Gip
Fantasy Giro in May 2020: Rasmussen, luques, Team FL, RFM

But yes, in fact, although people like poke and me can design fast, I probably prefer real Giro as well. Because I have already designed it and because I think some managers really 100% expect it and it is 16 April already.

[Robyklebt]

Counting properly would help...

But well, I'm going to recount myself anyway and ignore your count, so it's ok.

[IDF]

The problem I see is that we have already past the half of April. When do you want to put a fantasy Giro online?
It is not like the guys interested can search profiles online like with real races. So it has to be online earlier than a real race imo.

I don't know what life Gip has apart of C4F but to design a 21 stage fantasy GT in less than 2 weeks is not that easy I think.

I would prefer to ride the Giro as planned and then decide later on with enough time how to continue once we know if there will be a Giro at all this year or the same profiles in 2021 (assuming C4F is still playable then )

I am quite sure I can draw from A to Z a Fantasy Giro and post it before tonight

ALLEZ HOP HOP MAGNE

[Bear]

I am ok with both options - Fantasy or Real Giro in May. But I can understand some people prefer the real one because some teams look at profiles already months before... how many TTs, mtn finishes, etc.

I would for sure stay with the UCI calender as it was planned. Otherwise we will have chaos since we started normal and we dont want to ride just fantasy the rest of the year.

At some day we will be back to normal again...

[Liquigas-CND]

Hi,
When I started to play this game I was watching only TDF and Giro on Eurosport and one reason that made me continue playing was that RSF calendar and races profiles were following the real calendar and profiles. Then playing this game almost daily for 7-8 years I started to learn about the classics and to love watching them. In the morning I was playing the game and then watching the real race or playing and watching the race in the afternoon it was nice.

Back to the topic, in my opinion riding classics on the initial planned calendar is ok, anyway the profiles are not changing too much normally for most of the classics.
The question is what are we going to do if MSR, RVV and PR will be ridden later this year? we ignore them?
I've read that organizer are looking to find new dates for monuments.

- GIRO
I think is better to ride a fantasy Giro (cat. 4) in May 2020 just because there are managers building teams for this tour since May 2019.
In case the Giro is still organized later this year we should ride in my opinion.

- TDF
If until end of June the TDF is rescheduled in September let's say, I think is better not to ride TDF in July.
If until end of June we have no clear info about TDF reschedule then we should ride in July but again a fantasy TDF (cat. 4).

As per above we can ride the RSF Giro and TDF following the real calendar and profiles and we will not be in the situation to ride in 2021 again the same profiles or 70-80% the same profiles.

P.S. The most important is to have RSF in 2021 irrespective of the decision taken by Donkey for the calendar. Because we all know he will take the decision he has in his mind:)

Thanks,

[Robyklebt]

In the meantime everybody shouldn't forget:

Times!
Dunkerque? 19? Fantasy?
Norway? What?

[Laurens88]

I think we should not ride a fantasy Giro and ride the real Giro later. Just follow the policy of what we do for regular races: use the real profile now (if available, but for GTs that should not be a problem) and ignore if they ride it later in real life.

How many people would really want to ride 4, 5 or 6 GT's per year? I think not many. So ride the real GT's when they were initially planned and do not have extra GTs in autumn. A policy that I would follow for classics/monuments too actually.

And for Dunkerque I say yes to 2019 and Norway I would say 2019 too, but if others want fantasy, fine by me.

[Robyklebt]

But Norway 19 was 6 days... Norway 20 was planned for 4.

[el Galactico]

I think Giro times are alright. NO 23 h is great

Dunkerque 2019 / Norway 2019 profiles are okay for me as well.

Another question? What happens for example with the Canadian autumn "classics". Now it seems they would be parallel to the new Tour de France.
They are obviously not that important but still nice races which at least I would like to ride.
The original 2020 UCI calendar was well designed so every race has its spot and doesn't have to share the spotlight with another race.
What they are now doing is just a bad try to fix the calendar in some way in order to get the most important races in somehow. That + it is in no way sure that the plan can be realized that way if Corona is still a problem in August (which is very likely imo).

We here don't have the necessity to change a good 2020 plan/calendar for a bad emergency fix up which can never be as good as the original plan.
So why do we want to change something good for something mehhh?

I say let us just stick with the original 2020 calendar as far as possible.

[Hansa]

With germany cancelling all big ebents till 31.8. I guess other countries will follow. Maybe even longer. Dont see any real cycling before autumb this year

[Pokemon Club]

But Norway 19 was 6 days... Norway 20 was planned for 4.

cut 2 stages

[LENNAO]

First you should all stop with the thing "and if real Giro in 2021...". For the moment Google remember me each time I open it that Flash Player stop in December 2020, and as long we don't migrate on the new C4F there is no C4F in 2021 in all case.

Critics? ^^ (I hope and i am excited to see any progress in this topic. RSF is still be best game available)
I am for riding real Giro too.

[Robyklebt]

No idea why we want to ride boring ass Norway instead of outstanding Bourgogne, but seems I'm the only one to want that.. but not riding it anyway...

Dauphiné opinions?

6-6 by my count btw, 6-5 if we don't count Liquigas. Which means almost certainly real Giro, the fantasy option would need to win clearly, not just by 1 vote..., now it's losing.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Ok, so let's focus on real Giro!

Some details for GIRO 2020 if luques has time:
- maglia rosa please
- points classification should be like last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Giro ... leadership

And some help needed for the design. Opinions are welcome.
- GPM: RCS Sport published, where they are but not the category, so category can be discussed.
- IS: They are not online at all, so I will do what RCS Sport did last year: 2 IS per normal stage.
- Any pavé / dirt at all this year? Looks to me like no.
- Min-tact. Let me know what you think.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro01
Type: ITT
Min-Tact: km1


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro02
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km185


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro03
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km194



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro04
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km110



http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro05
Type: Mountain / HC
Min-Tact: km130


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro06
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km125


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro07
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km190


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro08
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km205


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro09
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km176

*** REST DAY *** REST DAY *** REST DAY *** REST DAY ***


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro10
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km173


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro11
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km172


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro12
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km172


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro13
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km156


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro14
Type: ITT
Min-Tact: km1


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro15
Type: Mountain/HC
Min-Tact: km169

*** REST DAY *** REST DAY *** REST DAY *** REST DAY ***


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro16
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km210


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro17
Type: Mountain/HC
Min-Tact: km186


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro18
Type: Mountain/HC
Min-Tact: km148


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro19
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km242


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro20
Type: Mountain/HC
Min-Tact: km131


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2020giro21
Type: ITT
Min-Tact: km1

[Robyklebt]

My mintact comments:

stage 2+3+8+19 are all flat stags with short mintact, I wouldn't mind having it a few km longer, sprinter teams sometimes maybe appreciate a few seconds time to decide more as well.
6 is long, but makes sense where it is, but it is still long.. not sure how important it is to have it there on that stage, most likely not too much will happen.
stage 11 is what? 182? How long is the stage, looks like around that as well, that to me seems toooo short.
13 to me better before the first hill, not before the second one.
Stage 20 on the other hand we have 111 minutes mintact + 10 minute sprint, plus 44 minutes short tact, that's 165.. Ok, it does make sense to have it there, but having it after the Agnello, might work too. But for me basically is ok.

The only 2 that I would definitely campaign for changing are 11 and 13, one has virtually 0 if I see it right, the other one should be before the first hill.

[Robyklebt]

If you don't want to talk with me, don't mention me. Can't be that difficult.

But congrats for managing to mention me without feeling the need to add an insult, attack whatever.

[Pokemon Club]

About mintact for me :

Stage 1-4 : OK
Stage 5 : A bit earlier around 110 is nice too.
Stage 6-10 : OK
Stage 11 : I guess it is mintact km 172 and not 182
Stage 12 : Difficult to say, but a is a GT, I would set it around km 130, but 2h35 is really a lot, a Thursday, is surely too much. Around km 150 means a 2h20 race, well don't know what is the best for this one.
Stage 13 : mintact at the foot of Passo Reverello around km 155
Stage 14 : OK
Stage 15 : around km 130 at the beginning of Barzana
Stage 16 : km 185 for me
Stage 17 : km 96 is the best but maybe stage is a bit too long like that (48 +106 + 10, 2h44). But mintact around km 150 before Passo Durone it is OK
Stage 18 : OK
Stage 19 : OK
Stage 20 : OK
Stage 21 : OK

In general for GTs I like it a bit longer. Some early move are possible, it is better if we have more time to react and adjust tactics in consequence in my opinion

[Gipfelstuermer]

Thanks for the feedback from 3 people on mintact. Easy to adjust where 2 people ask for same adjustment:

Stage 6: Roby and Ide want a shorter race. Now min-tact at km125 (which makes it a shorter stage of just 70min instead of 100min)
Stage 11: Everybody want to avoid error. It is km172 now.
Stage 13: Roby and Poke want a longer race. Now min-tact km156
Stage 20: Roby and Ide want a shorter race. Now min-tact km131 (still long enough)

[Robyklebt]

Grrrr, Luques still hasn't uploaded the second proposal, but ok not necessary at this point. Ideally we finalize on the 26th or early 27th....

Situation now: Almost identical to what's up.
-Dunkerque, 19 profiles, basically decided. Times same as in the preview
- Giro 20 profiles, times same as in preview
-Norway, stage 1-4 from 2019. If somebody wants to waste time and check what they were and wants other stages in, he can do that and change the title of of the stages himself Times 14-19-23, weren't in the first draft.
- The big question is Dauphiné
a) 2 guys in favor of postponing it to June. 1 guy not sure, showed possibilities but no endorsement either way. One guy opposed, me of course. So, opinions?
b) times the same as in the preview, even if postponed to June I'm for keeping these times.

Other things:
-Times, the big Corona-winners are the morning and afternoon. So add times there for the parallel tours for May? But no idea how the situation will be then... especially for Norway, late May, if we add too much we risk being back to mini-groups. For Dunkerque possibly a afternoon in might make sense, but 4+4? I'd prefere 4+3..

-Dunkerque isn't designed, I won't do it either, at least most likely. If nobody does it it won't be in. Very simple.
-Dauphiné, officially still postponed, hope to organize it as prep for the TdF? But IMO the chances that it will be cancelled are pretty good. Not designed either. So.. see June:

June: The TdS is designed. And cancelled. And announced that it will be this parcours in 2021. So what to do in 2020? 2 years the same Risk taken for the Giro, but here it's still possible it will be a different parcours in 2021, for the TdS is sure that it's the one planned for 2020. So twice the same or a different TdS this year? RElevant to what to do with Dauphiné too, which might very well get cancelled officially too at some point.

[Hansa]

postpone dauphine cancel suisse for this year.

[Rasmussen]

I would design a Fantasy Tour de Suisse for 2020 (lower category maybe?) and we ride the real profiles in 2021.

[Pokemon Club]

IMO the only real race we should cancel this year is Olympics Games. We can do it next year.
I am agree with a fantasy TdS.
Let's postponed Dauphine 1 day later, originally it is because of OG it is exceptionnally in parallel of Giro.