April 2019

[luques]

APRIL 2019

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/april2019.pdf

Donkey-edit:

Forget those annoying colour systems, I just write here what needs to be drawn or checked (1 day races often the same, then no need to redraw), once somebody volunteers to check or design, I'll delete it from the list.

Stage races:

Tour de Romandie





ONLINE, MUST BE DRAWED OR CHECKED(WHEN PROFILE STILL THE SAME)
NOT ONLINE
NEW VERSION DRAWED
AT WORK
DELETE OR POSTPONED
SAME TRACK AS PREVIOUS YEAR

[luques]

Not sure Giro di Sicilia will be held on that date, for the rest, open to suggestions.

[Gipfelstuermer]

OK, multiple suggestions here:

1.) Giro di Sicilia is correct according to UCI website. But I cannot find profiles. But times! Nice parallel programme, but I believe 4 times would be ok. Suggestion from me would be 10-15-19-22.
2.) RVV and PR: Long races, so for timing I suggest 9-14-18-21-23.
3.) Pais Vasco, maybe without super long stages? If no super long stages, could be 10-15-19-21/22-23/24 ?
4.) Pah, this Turkey Tour... I would actually downgrade to Cat. 2, but probably you wanna keep Cat. 3 because of UCI... But really, if you hear "Tour of Turkey" and "Tour of the Alps", same prestige for you? And then times... mh, difficult. Lower cat and attractive parallel program = less times? Could live with it, but this 10-16-20-24 doesn't sound well balanced to me. Agains 21/22/23 is the most populat in my point of view, so should have one of those in there. And 16 might be a bit late for the afternoon folks...
5.) Amstel, Fleche Wallone, L-B-L: Again, I suggest something like 9-14-18-21-23. Doesn't have to be exactly like this for all big classics, but if you wanna change that, I would only say everything one hour later, so 10-15-19-22-24? At least this 11 o'clock... I don't know... Maybe on the weekend it actually works? But on a weekday, I don't understand 11h.

[CarreraBlueJeans]

<3 Giro di Sicilia <3 nice, very nice, very happy

20/24 never happy... just my personal opinion but 20 to early, 24 to late.
My superslot is 22, maybe 23... always in trouble with Monday and Wednsday because of Soccer Training (19.30-21.30).

Saluti

[gaurain rx]

In again for designing Belgian races...

[Robyklebt]

Donks joins the critics:
Amstel Gold Race no times?

Then Sicilia: A bitch to find, seem to have no website yet. Google giro di Sicilia and you'll find a car race, and the Giro della Sicilia, an amateur cycling event, which is on a different date of course. End of April? But the one we want, no own site yet it seems. Let's hope they manage to put up something....If not, obviously we can't design and won't be ridden.

Gipfel:
1) Times, 4... why not.

2) Why twice the same? Some people can at 9, not at 10, some maybe at 10, not at 9, same with 20/21, same with 14/15, why have twice the same? And add LBL to the equation, monument on a Sunday. I think it makes sense to look at races of the same category as kind of a unit, especially if they are even on the same weekday, as here. And I think spreading it out better than always the same standard times.

Right now the monument on Sunday times are 9-10-11-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21-21-23-23-23. One glaring omission: 22.
So I'd propose to cut the 23 RVV and put it to 22. Would mean all times once, 21 and 23 twice,.

3) 20. You're consitently ignoring 20 as a strong time. Why? And again, look at it as a "unit", include Romandie, even if only one day is in April. and Catalunya, PN, Tirreno as well. And again, spread it out a bit. Here IMO times to avoid are 16-17 mostly, 17 very nice to plan, fits in well, but has consistently lower participation than 18-19. 16 similar compared to 14-15, but not as big. If I remember correctly.
In March we had 9-10-14-15-15-18-19-20-21-22-23-24 So evening and late evening nicely spread out. Actually looking at it now, 16 for PN or Cat probably would have been better than another 15, even if it is usually weaker.
The 2 April cat 4 tours right now:
Right now:
9-14-18-20-23
10-15-18-21-23
Morning afternoon seems ok to me. Twice 18 and 23 not ideal. One to 19 better. 19-21-23? Or 19-21-24? Since 24 will most likely not get any GT this year... another cat 4 stage race might be warranted.
9-14-18-20-23
10-15-19-21-24
22 getting nothing, not ideal at all, agree, but...? The general 22 problem with 5 editions. 22-23 clearly no, 22-24 IMO better avoided too, people who can do both more often than not will go to 22, so making 24 weaker. With 5 editions, 18-20-22...There 23 just fits better.
Gipfelposal:
10-15-19-21/22-23/24... 22-24 no, so 10-15-19-21-23/24. Why not? No problem with that, but then change Romandie, and we get basically the same proposal I wrote above again. One 10-15 etc, one 9-14 etc.

4) Turkey: No problem for me to go down to 2. Times. Clash with more important races, Brabant and Amstel, That explains the times. 24, if Pais Vasco or Romandie gets a 24, then here 23 better, if no 24 for either of those, then IMO a 24 is ok. 16 has not been getting any stage race in March, nothing either in April? While it is weaker than 14-15, it can get the occasional tour too. Can? Should! 16 or 17, change it to 10-17-20/21-24 (depending on cat 4 stage races still) ok too. Maybe even better.

5) The wednesday classics, again, move them around a bit IMO sensible. From DVV to FW.
Morning 9-10-10-11. Sems ok. You don't get 11? Neither do I. But 11 gets the numbers. Often. Lots of complaints each time it's there, but in the end when offered the numbers aren't that bad. Those that ride don't complain? So gets less times than 9+10, but no reason to cancel it completely. And the occasional important race, why not. 1 of the 4 April Wednesday classics, seems ok to me.
Afternoon: 15-15-15-16. Bad, agreed, one 14 should be there. One 16, again, occasionnally it should be offered on a weekday for an important race too.
Early evening: 18-19-18-19. No 17, but here IMO the dropoff is usually big enough to avoid 17 for important races.
Evening: 21-22-21-22. Seems to me 20 could or should get one.
Late Evening: 24-x-23-24. One 24 too many I think. But one IMO is ok, since the more important Sunday races usually can never be offered there, due to the length.

11 again: On weekends, everything different of course, don't really remember how it fared there usually but I'll leave that research to you.

[CarreraBlueJeans]

just something:

https://www.girodellasicilia.com/

isn't it ?

[Robyklebt]

No, isn't it. That's the Amateur/hobby rider thing.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Ok, Roby probably correct regarding times. After all, he is the master of calendar for a while now ^^ But please rethink some of the times. Like 20-24 doesn't make sense. (Make that 20-23, 21-23 or 21-24) 16/17 is also a bit weird if it is an important race. A bit more often 22 would be nice. Etc.

[Robyklebt]

First post helpful, second one not at all.

[Pokemon Club]

Well, for me there is always that point of offering absolutely some Tours at 24h while it is as weak as 16h and 17h. We lose people at 24h because it is too late for some area, and at the end all guys who ride at midnight can ride at 23h. 22h-24h can just have more one day race IMO

[Robyklebt]

For designing April, see the first post. Restarted the "first post see what needs to be done system", but not with colours.

Gaurain already volunteered for all Belgian races.
If you want to design something, mention it here.

[Rsc Spree]

Tour of Sicillia
May is it possible to put one race more at 19 ore 20:00 clock ore the 17:00 move to 18:00 clock. 17 I leave work and 22 is to late fore me.
Greetings Spree

[Robyklebt]

I'll do Pais Vasco

[gaurain rx]

Amstel Gold Race... Same version as last year... BUUUUUUT, last year version looks a bit strange on some parts (like, I wonder what happened to the Keutenberg).

Anyway, I will do it too

[CarreraBlueJeans]

https://www.vaitaormina.com/sport-giro- ... -sulletna/

[Robyklebt]

Calendar will hopefully be finalized tomorrow.
Too see how 20-24 does at Catalunya too.

Pais Vasco done:

[Robyklebt]

Cholet done.



Adélie whatever looks the same as usual to me.
So no need to do it.

See first post for what needs to be done.

[gaurain rx]

Flemish classics done.. Also LBL and Brabant are.

Not sure I will have time to do Amstel before the month change and I won't draw Flêche Wallonne before having more precise infos... Anyway, Flêche Wallone stays the same as 2018 in his last 50km... Fair enough info to set form if wanted).

[luques]

Updated!

[Robyklebt]

Finalized?

[luques]

Finalized?

Would give 24hours, but basically would say yes.

[Robyklebt]

Let's say 22 hours?

[Robyklebt]

First stuff online, basically all that has been designed, except Pais Vasco... technical problems.... usually waiting helps. Tomorrow.

For what remains to be done, see the first post.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Pais Vasco: Sterrato is just dirt road, correct? No cobbles? So just *? I guess the designer has checked that but looking at the profile and seeing those little black dots I was wondering...